Reduction in electrical work

[Midwest]

you guys help create this problem by allowing unskilled and semi skilled people to do electrical work. It should be only fully qualified electricians allowed to do any type of wiring

How do ‘we’ create this problem?

 

[peterhyper]

de-registering isn't the answer, he will still have to drop his prices to compete.


you guys help create this problem by allowing unskilled and semi skilled people to do electrical work. It should be only fully qualified electricians allowed to do any type of wiring

I'm not sure if you are on a wind up, but if not then it's rather silly to suggest "he will have to drop his prices." Isn't that the very issue that some short sighted people think that sparks reducing their prices is the answer to getting more work (as they say a fool can always be busy). Why should he drop his prices if he can make a better living from doing something else. I absolutely refuse to drop my prices because I'm still earning less than most other trades, and in real terms I have probably already cut my prices by not increasing them to keep up with inflation.

In answer to your second statement (again it's probably another wind up). I have never employed anyone, let alone employed unskilled/unqualified people. I see rubbish electrical work all the time, and often it's done by qualified/registered sparks. I certainly don't condone such work, but perhaps they are doing exactly as you suggest and lowering their prices to the point that is how they can make a living (as they say people get what they pay pay for).

 

[Kidsolo]

but perhaps they are doing exactly as you suggest and lowering their prices to the point that is how they can make a living

The O.P. isn't going to magicaly get work by lowering his overheads, he will need to lower his prices if he wants to compete. His solution to deregister and only do "
minor electrical work that did not need certification" sounds kind of like he is choosing to join these quote hijacking cowboys. I am not suggesting lowering prices is what i would do, just what the O.P. needs to do in his scenario.

Serioius question... you U.K guys seem to quote by the hour, is this standard? why aren't you quoting by the outlet/fitting?
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How do ‘we’ create this problem?

Like I said, You not only allow but encourage "unskilled and semi skilled people to do electrical work."

 

[Midwest]

Like I said, You not only allow but encourage "unskilled and semi skilled people to do electrical work."

No I don’t

 

[DPG]

Serioius question... you U.K guys seem to quote by the hour, is this standard? why aren't you quoting by the outlet/fitting?
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Because not every job is the same.

 

[peterhyper]

The O.P. isn't going to magicaly get work by lowering his overheads, he will need to lower his prices if he wants to compete. His solution to deregister and only do "
minor electrical work that did not need certification" sounds kind of like he is choosing to join these quote hijacking cowboys. I am not suggesting lowering prices is what i would do, just what the O.P. needs to do in his scenario.

Serioius question... you U.K guys seem to quote by the hour, is this standard? why aren't you quoting by the outlet/fitting?
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Like I said, You not only allow but encourage "unskilled and semi skilled people to do electrical work."

Not being registered doesn't make somone a cowboy. Most of my work doesn't even require me to be registered.

I charge by the hour for jobs such as replacing light fittings and fault finding, but most jobs I give an actual quote for. If for instance someone asks for extra sockets, I don't charge by the point because there are many factors such as where the power is comng from for each new socket and then I take into account moving furniture, lifting carpets/underlay and floorboards. Plus is it a brick wall or a nice easy plasterboard wall where the new sockets are going etc.

 

[5544]

Many thanks for all the responses. I spoke to Elecsa today. Have not renewed. Very sad about it since i have done electrical work for 30yrs, but as previously stated, any Tom Dick or Harry is happy to shove some wire in a socket, and as long as it works no one cares. Not many people really want to play around with gas. Thanks for all the support.

 

[davesparks]

Serioius question... you U.K guys seem to quote by the hour, is this standard? why aren't you quoting by the outlet/fitting?

Dayworks are charged per hour or per day.
Big jobs like new builds would normally be priced per point.
Small jobs, alterations, adding an extra socket etc would normally be priced on a job by job basis.

 

[peterhyper]

Many thanks for all the responses. I spoke to Elecsa today. Have not renewed. Very sad about it since i have done electrical work for 30yrs, but as previously stated, any Tom Dick or Harry is happy to shove some wire in a socket, and as long as it works no one cares. Not many people really want to play around with gas. Thanks for all the support.

I agree that most people just want to pay the cheapest person to do their electrics because as long as it works why should they pay more (from their perspective). I will do almost any job on my house with the absolute of exception of touching gas.

Isn't it disappointing that around 15 years ago they introduced Part Pee to stop the cowboys, and its been a complete waste of time.

At least you have the gas trade to keep you busy, and from my experience that certainly pays better than doing domestic electrical work.

 

[Midwest]

I agree that most people just want to pay the cheapest person to do their electrics because as long as it works why should they pay more (from their perspective). I will do almost any job on my house with the absolute of exception of touching gas.

Isn't it disappointing that around 15 years ago they introduced Part Pee to stop the cowboys, and its been a complete waste of time.

At least you have the gas trade to keep you busy, and from my experience that certainly pays better than doing domestic electrical work.

It is a conundrum that people accept that gas shouldn’t be messed around with, but think electrics are fair game?