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Hi


I know this topic has already been covered, but I think my questions are a bit more specific. Anyway, if you think they've already been covered, feel free to ignore!


I bought a Makita HR2450 SDS drill the other day. Up until now I have relied solely on my trusty DeWalt 18V cordless combo drill, which seems to be able to do almost anything. Almost. It cannot drill granite (obviously) or large holes in high density concrete, and it struggles with large hole saws (unsurprisingly).


So I chose an SDS drill with a "mechanical safety clutch", as I thought this was what was needed for safe use of large hole saws, and would of course be well suited to granite and concrete. But on reading the instruction it says: "Hole saws cannot be used… They tend to pinch or catch… This will cause the torque limiter to actuate too frequently".


So my questions are:


a) Is their statement about hole saws likely to apply to hole-sawing wood, or just masonry/stone/metals (I never intended to attempt to hole-saw these).


b) In your experience how likely is it that I will find the drill really is incapable of hole-sawing wood, or is damaged by this, and how likely is it that they are just covering their donkeys? I won't hold you responsible if you say it's fine and then I wreck the drill!


I know some of you will be thinking I have the answer in black and white and should just follow the instructions, but I can't justify the cost of two drills (an SDS and a core drill) for two things I don't do that often, nor do I have the space to store them. It would seem ridiculous to keep using my combi for hole sawing when I have this beast of an SDS in my tool kit. Any thoughts from your own experience/knowledge?


Anyway sorry for a long post, thanks for reading to the end!


Sam
 
I use the same 230V makita drill and it has roto stop . It gets used and abused admittedly the clutch keeps sliping , especially on 4/ 5 inch core drills , but it just keeps going , I have owned 1 before this , this ones still alive after 2 years , I would buy another later on if I had to,,,
 
I have a 'traditional' power drill (Bosch green but with electronic torque control, vari-speed and so on) which I use for large hole-saws as I find it's generally got a much higher spin rate and you can set the torque control on it at a sensible place so that it'll ignore the odd pinch but not break your wrist if things go wrong. I also use this for HSS drilling in steel etc as it has almost twice the speed of the larger SDS drills and much faster than any of my battery drills.

For a core, the big Bosch Blue SDS comes out though.
 
What size do you mean. large holesaws Sam?

boydy

The largest will be 114mm solid board access hole saw. The sort which also cuts a recess for a plate to fill the hole. Nearly burnt my combi out with that once! Anything bigger or tougher will be referred to the diamond core drilling specialist!
 
I use the same 230V makita drill and it has roto stop . It gets used and abused admittedly the clutch keeps sliping , especially on 4/ 5 inch core drills , but it just keeps going , I have owned 1 before this , this ones still alive after 2 years , I would buy another later on if I had to,,,

Sounds promising. I'd be interested to know how long your last one lasted. And was it the clutch that finally gave up? I guess it's better that the clutch slips than that you get a broken wrist or thrown off a ladder!
 
I have a 'traditional' power drill (Bosch green but with electronic torque control, vari-speed and so on) which I use for large hole-saws as I find it's generally got a much higher spin rate and you can set the torque control on it at a sensible place so that it'll ignore the odd pinch but not break your wrist if things go wrong. I also use this for HSS drilling in steel etc as it has almost twice the speed of the larger SDS drills and much faster than any of my battery drills.

For a core, the big Bosch Blue SDS comes out though.

That's interesting, and you find the green is up to trade use? I have avoided Bosch as I have heard that they are not what they used to be, but maybe I was wrong to.

I had a Homebase own brand (feel free to laugh!) 650W 'traditional' mains drill from the days before I was in the trade. It hadn't had a lot of use. I tried to use with a 4" hole saw on softwood to save my DeWalt combi - as soon as the saw touched the wood it bent the armature! My combi then slowly but surely cut the 43mm thick soffit!
 
That's interesting, and you find the green is up to trade use? I have avoided Bosch as I have heard that they are not what they used to be, but maybe I was wrong to.

I had a Homebase own brand (feel free to laugh!) 650W 'traditional' mains drill from the days before I was in the trade. It hadn't had a lot of use. I tried to use with a 4" hole saw on softwood to save my DeWalt combi - as soon as the saw touched the wood it bent the armature! My combi then slowly but surely cut the 43mm thick soffit!

The corded bosch and 36v sds are good.

Can't comment on the combis as I havent used them but I did have a green and its crap
 
That's interesting, and you find the green is up to trade use? I have avoided Bosch as I have heard that they are not what they used to be, but maybe I was wrong to.

I had a Homebase own brand (feel free to laugh!) 650W 'traditional' mains drill from the days before I was in the trade. It hadn't had a lot of use. I tried to use with a 4" hole saw on softwood to save my DeWalt combi - as soon as the saw touched the wood it bent the armature! My combi then slowly but surely cut the 43mm thick soffit!

Bosch Blue, if it throws you off the ladder you aint holding it right!!
 
Thanks all, sounds like opinion is divided, but also like my Makita will do the job, as long as I am careful with it!
 
That's interesting, and you find the green is up to trade use? I have avoided Bosch as I have heard that they are not what they used to be, but maybe I was wrong to.

I had a Homebase own brand (feel free to laugh!) 650W 'traditional' mains drill from the days before I was in the trade. It hadn't had a lot of use. I tried to use with a 4" hole saw on softwood to save my DeWalt combi - as soon as the saw touched the wood it bent the armature! My combi then slowly but surely cut the 43mm thick soffit!

The one I've got must be 15yrs old so might even predate the blue/green divide. Everything else I use is very 'pro', regardless of make or function and I've no issues with carrying it on the van for the odd occasions it gets used. Generally speaking, nearly all my cable tools are Bosch Blue and I've not had to think about any of them since purchase - they take a kicking out on site and quite often I'll get compliments on their performance from other trades if seen in use.
 
I like my makita, watched a few people snag there wrist or hit in face with it:D

I call them limp wristed lol

Nothing that bad happened to me yet, but I have given myself some nasty cuts when the pliers have slipped and my hand has hit an artex ceiling or something! First aid kit definitely worth the money, even though I don't know how to use half the stuff in it!
 
Nothing that bad happened to me yet, but I have given myself some nasty cuts when the pliers have slipped and my hand has hit an artex ceiling or something! First aid kit definitely worth the money, even though I don't know how to use half the stuff in it!

the worst ive done, is smashed my head on a low cabbinet during an eicr

bloody cut wouldn't stop bleeding, thought i might have had to get stitches.



i find a bit of tape works better than most plaster's
 
Nothing that bad happened to me yet, but I have given myself some nasty cuts when the pliers have slipped and my hand has hit an artex ceiling or something! First aid kit definitely worth the money, even though I don't know how to use half the stuff in it!

commonly abbreviated as 'FAK'.

when someone hurts their self and shouts 'FAK', you now know why!!
 
i`v got a 110V core drill that`l run upto a 150 core....

will that do you?....lol..

I'm sure you have all the best tools of the trade, Glennspark, and I'm happy for you
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the worst ive done, is smashed my head on a low cabbinet during an eicr

bloody cut wouldn't stop bleeding, thought i might have had to get stitches.



i find a bit of tape works better than most plaster's

Ouch! And yes, the plasters in my FAK (you can see I'm reading ahead of my replies!) are like Sellotape with a bit of cotton wool stuck to them! I have been known to add insulating tape!
 

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