Sign off A.N.Other builders work

[1Justin]

I've been asked to do a couple of jobs at a potential customer. Will be taking a look tomorrow.

One job is signing off others work for an extension. (Her builder has bu.. off). I know about the imminent changes to allow this (for work done to part P in the first place). Have been watching the NICEIC/ELECSA circulars saying this is imminent, but no detail and no forms of inspection available yet.

Without seeing it yet, no idea whether the Builder was Part P, got it spot on, or was totally incompetent.

I am considering treating it as a full Periodic, ie quoting her for Periodic Inspection via Condition Report Inspection Schedule & EICR first, and if that works out OK, I could (for minimal additional charge), provide her EIC for Building Control, with the latter signed ONLY under "For Inspection and Testing", with "Comments" section explaining why the installation is unsigned and referencing the previous CRIS/EICR.

If obvious work was necessary after CRIS/EICR, then that would be quoted separately before she got her (half-signed) EIC.

Kind of belt and braces, but since it's been left that way, I don't see an obvious alternative which keeps me covered.

Is this a sensible way forward?

 

[Octopus]

All you can offer is an EICR. You can not issue an EIC for work you haven't done.

I don't think this 3rd party sign off "concept" has any valid status as yet!

 

[Guest55]

yep , crack on.
:-D

 

[Guest55]

I don't think this 3rd party sign off "concept" has any valid status as yet!

correct , not till june i think.
however most councils will be happy with any sort of cert from someone competant rather than no paperwork at all.
;-)

 

[Robert Turnbull]

Just do A ECIR for building control ?

Safest bet

 

[1Justin]

Hmm.She wants if for BC so che can get her Completion Cert. Maybe I'd better have a word with BC (after I chat to her) to see if they'd be cool on that.

Technically, if she has already paid the fee for full Building Control, that sum also covers the installation to be tested and signed off by BC inspector.

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Will BC sign off her Extension as complete with an EICR? - Or would they need to see EIC?

 

[Ponty Massive]

EICR should be fine for building control.

 

[Guest55]

Will BC sign off her Extension as complete with an EICR?

yes , if the original installer of the first fix is unavailable to issue the EIC , then a EICR will be accepted from the spark that finishes the job.

 

[Octopus]

Get the customer to ask building control!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Get the customer to ask building control!

yeah...its their problem after all....its not the duty of the contractor to notify LABC...

 

[1Justin]

EICR it is then. I know by BC well so I'll give him a call AM.
Ta.

 

[Guitarist]

Yet another loophole which makes a mockery of the trade. Builder does install, electrician hopes it's been done correctly and signs it off...

 

[Thomas1234]

I know it's harsh but I wouldn't sign it off, that will teach the woman to get an electrician in next time not a builder.

 

[Kate]

Ive been asked to do this on many occasions. Just do an EICR and contact BC. Contact BC yourself as customer will most likely talk through their --- and embellish stuff they dont understand! The BC are generally nice people to deal with. They will do all the notifying themselves.

 

[Guitarist]

I know it's harsh but I wouldn't sign it off, that will teach the woman to get an electrician in next time not a builder.

I wouldn't either mate. I know plenty do though, so things will never change.

 

[Kate]

I wouldn't either mate. I know plenty do though, so things will never change.

Times are tough!

 

[1Justin]

Well somehow or other she's going to end up living in it, so someone doing the testing is an inevitabality.

I might take one look and run, but maybe not. EICR and phone call to BCO seems the most sensible. Provided BCO will give over Completion cert on a EICR (need to check) then job done. I'm not signing off any installation, and EICR has plenty of opportunity for "Extent and limitations"

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Well somehow or other she's going to end up living in it, so someone doing the testing is an inevitabality.

I might take one look and run, but maybe not. EICR and phone call to BCO seems the most sensible. Provided BCO will give over Completion cert on a EICR (need to check) then job done. I'm not signing off any installation, and EICR has plenty of opportunity for "Extent and limitations"

the bottom line here Justin...is your not obliged to do anything...just caus `they have got to live in it/with it`..is neither here nor there....too many thinking that they can just cut corners all over the place...
if you dont like what you see/hear of them.....then your not obliged to do owt.....

 

[Guitarist]

The biggest problem is that while "someone" is willing to do it, then it becomes the norm. If everybody said NO, then the system would have to change.

 

[daca]

Was asked 3 weeks ago to do a EIC for a guy who's builder installed his new bathroom and electrics. Told him I could do EICR but not EIC. His reply was BCO needed the EIC to sign off work.... Love to know what happened!