Signing off work.

StevieTee · Aug 6, 2015

Got into a discussions with one of the sparks in the wholesalers today. We were talking about the scams (SELECT, NICEIC, etc) and I was discussing how pointless they are...

The lad I was talking to says he's never been part of any registered scheme. He completed his apprenticeship and went striaght into self employed ever since. Says when he tests his work and then signs off the electrical certificates, he makes copies of his grade card and calibration certificate and gets customer to send them away to local council. Never had any bother or additional fee's for this.

Surely i'm missing something here? I was always under the belief you had to be part of one of these parasite schemes to sign off your own work?

It was domestic work we were talking about.

Leesparkykent · Aug 6, 2015

StevieTee said:
Got into a discussions with one of the sparks in the wholesalers today. We were talking about the scams (SELECT, NICEIC, etc) and I was discussing how pointless they are...

The lad I was talking to says he's never been part of any registered scheme. He completed his apprenticeship and went striaght into self employed ever since. Says when he tests his work and then signs off the electrical certificates, he makes copies of his grade card and calibration certificate and gets customer to send them away to local council. Never had any bother or additional fee's for this.

Surely i'm missing something here? I was always under the belief you had to be part of one of these parasite schemes to sign off your own work?

Are you in Scotland?

StevieTee · Aug 6, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
Are you in Scotland?

Yeah. Forgot to add that to the post.

Leesparkykent · Aug 6, 2015

StevieTee said:
Yeah. Forgot to add that to the post.

I thought so because you said about Select. I don't think it's a requirement in Scotland to be part of Select or NICEIC.

StevieTee · Aug 6, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
I thought so because you said about Select. I don't think it's a requirement in Scotland to be part of Select or NICEIC.

Ginger hair is the biggest give away! Thankfully I don't have my ugly mug as my picture.

I was always under the belief even up here we had to be part of some scheme. Hope I've not been p***ing my money away!

Leesparkykent · Aug 6, 2015

StevieTee said:
Ginger hair is the biggest give away! Thankfully I don't have my ugly mug as my picture.

I was always under the belief even up here we had to be part of some scheme. Hope I've not been p***ing my money away!

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...rum/100777-scottish-building-regs-new-cu.html

#5 in the above link ^

StevieTee · Aug 6, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...rum/100777-scottish-building-regs-new-cu.html

#5 in the above link ^

Cheers. Hopefully one of the lads from my neck of the woods can clarify things once they havea read. The lad I was talking about isn't even an approved spark. Purely completed his apprenticehip, got his grade card and happy days.

If someone else clears this up, then I'm chucking my schemenand saving myself the pennies.

Btw Leesparkykent, I don't mean that to sound like I'm saying you've been useless lol cheers for your help.

Leesparkykent · Aug 6, 2015

Hellmooth is a regular on here from your way. I'm sure he'll be able to clear it up. With the compulsory EICR for landlords Becoming mandatory in Scotland surely you would benefit from being NICEIC/select as I'm sure you have to be a member. That's if you do EICRs?

StevieTee · Aug 6, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
Hellmooth is a regular on here from your way. I'm sure he'll be able to clear it up. With the compulsory EICR for landlords Becoming mandatory in Scotland surely you would benefit from being NICEIC/select as I'm sure you have to be a member. That's if you do EICRs?

That's a good shout, though I've not done work for landlords in a few years as I can't be bothered with the grief that comes with them... Quickly and cheaply botch it up.

Hellmooth · Aug 7, 2015

No need to send off any info with card or calibration certs unless it's part of a building warrant, depends what area you're in?

I'm West Lothian and they aren't interested in any small works, I just called them there to confirm, and the guy said as long as you give the right certificates then that's fine, that was including CU changes and adding extra sockets, as long as it isn't altering the buildings structure, you can find the info online! He said the 32 councils should all work the same!

He also said they have the power to get any unsafe or unsatisfactory work ripped out and replaced but as long as your work is sound then there's not an issue, they would also have to know about any works which they clearly wouldn't, as long as the certificates are there, done by a qualified spark and calibrated gear then no issues, his words.

I am planning on joining a scheme been looking into it for a while now, but after speaking to them again it's not needed for the works I carry out at present!

StevieTee · Aug 7, 2015

Hellmooth said:
No need to send off any info with card or calibration certs unless it's part of a building warrant, depends what area you're in?

I'm West Lothian and they aren't interested in any small works, I just called them there to confirm, and the guy said as long as you give the right certificates then that's fine, that was including CU changes and adding extra sockets, as long as it isn't altering the buildings structure, you can find the info online! He said the 32 councils should all work the same!

He also said they have the power to get any unsafe or unsatisfactory work ripped out and replaced but as long as your work is sound then there's not an issue, they would also have to know about any works which they clearly wouldn't, as long as the certificates are there, done by a qualified spark and calibrated gear then no issues, his words.

I am planning on joining a scheme been looking into it for a while now, but after speaking to them again it's not needed for the works I carry out at present!

I'm west of Glasgow side. Well that sounds good to me. I will be scrapping the scheme and saving they extra pennies... For the pub!

cheers for the help lads!

Hellmooth · Aug 7, 2015

Phone the council and speak to building control, they'll tell you all you need to know, would be good to hear what they're take is on it, guy I spoke to was sound, was a couple of years back the last time I spoke to them and the message was the same!

Only reason I'm thinking about going with a scheme is some customers do ask for it!