it wont cause problems cos someon else will sign it off

I agree, there is always someone to 'sign off' if the price is right!

Out of interest, does anyone doing domestic installs use this 'proforma invoice material cost up-front' idea?

I can't imagine Mrs Smith going for that if 2 other companies just go the payment on completion route?
 
I agree with parts of posts.
Busbars are cheap.
i'd be inclined to call his bluff.
Refuse to do anymore work until he honours his agreement.
If he tries to pull in a different electrician call there once a day to see if someone takes it on and fill them in on the facts.
spread the word through the suppliers too with an advert.
If he does pay the stage payment he's likely to take you on completion, so ask for the cash only before signing the job off. I'd remove the busbar, breakers and the rcd's until he paid too.
Avoid cheques at all costs.
hate clients that don't pay.
had to wait 6 months for £2k last year unitl the guys divorce settlement was finalised. didn't stop him spending money that he should have put aside for me on furniture and floor tiles and **** he didn't need like chickens. *******

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that's clever: automatically replaces swear words with *. what i was trying to say was *******
 
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I get this with commercial quite a bit , and when your refer to the contract they always manage to find a reason not to pay 10 years ago I was stuffed on two contracts I was working on with Overbury ( yes I can name them and they can take me to court if they wish) on one contract they did me for £20k and on the other they did me for £30k both in the same month.
They knew I couldnt afford to take them to court and could'nt give a damn
Just be very careful who you do buisness with!
 
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If we do a domestic job for over £1000.00 we get 25% up front on start of job and the rest on compleation or at different stages this seems to be the trend with security companys thay get a percentage up front before thay send an engerne in to carry out any work.
 
30% up front, 30% on 1st fix. Balance on completion.works for me.
 
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I have a customer at the moment every time the final payment is due she comes up with a snag list !! Four snag lists down the line going back Sat and if she does not pay I am removing the lot as per my terms and conditions, all materials are the companies until full and final payment. The snag sheet she has given me this time is a joke. Things like downlighters not sitting flush to the ceiling x11 lol and I bet when I get there they have decoratored and moved them. People are getting worried about sparks not completing and not certificating the work, I would email them stating the agreement you had and asking for the reason for none payment.
 
I'm gutted for you mate. I unfortunately learnt a similar lesson and it changed the way I deal with people completely. I now make sure that I give a written quote every time (even friends) and create an email trail. I have friends who have been done out of thousands of pounds and it is obvious that some people make a living doing trades out of money, well Karma will get them, but in the meantime if you think they won't pay, I would "by accident" ram a nail somewhere in every circuit where only you can fix - hours of fun for any spark behind you.
 
I'm gutted for you mate. I unfortunately learnt a similar lesson and it changed the way I deal with people completely. I now make sure that I give a written quote every time (even friends) and create an email trail. I have friends who have been done out of thousands of pounds and it is obvious that some people make a living doing trades out of money, well Karma will get them, but in the meantime if you think they won't pay, I would "by accident" ram a nail somewhere in every circuit where only you can fix - hours of fun for any spark behind you.


they sure do, I have had it happen to me once, and have seen it happen to several other people and small businesses as well, one was for an extension on a house, at the end of it the woman refused to pay over 30k and said that she wanted all the doors to open outwards instead of inwards into the house, the builder said that was not allowed with building control and wouldnt do it, she said- no payment then....and he walked empty handed out of principle...
 
Well you would walk away from £30,000 on principle, wouldn't you?
 
i'd have walked away and returned with a bulldozer. amazing how these people cough up when threatened with demolition.
 
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I know how you feel, am just finding out how to take someone to court. Apparently you can make someone bankrupt if they owe 750 or more! next stop 'how to put a charge on a property' !!
 
I know how you feel, am just finding out how to take someone to court. Apparently you can make someone bankrupt if they owe 750 or more! next stop 'how to put a charge on a property' !!

If a person owes more than £750, you can invoke a statutory document against a person, petitioning bankruptcy, called a STATUTORY DEMAND. If your debtor is a business, look into a winding up petition.

Go the route of a statutory demand, and you won't need to worry about property charges. It's cheap too.
 
I'm after some opinions please.

Full rewire, original agreement was payment on completion of first fix, then second fix then on completion.

Project has had "a few" unscheduled" pauses (caused by other trades) so payments were agreed to be at month ends. All was going well until submission of my March invoice which hasn't been paid, and still hasn't.

Client is now saying they won't pay until its all done, completed and tested.

Whilst I could accommodate this change its leaving me awfully short of cash and my concern now is what if they delay payments again I'll be in trouble with the bank.

My inclination is to complete the live testing then remove the busbars from the CU until they pay .....

How would approach this?

Murdoch - like others have said, first step is to identify whether or not this contract was on written terms, or if it was a verbal agreement. By what means did you come to an agreement with the customer that they would pay monthly or in stages? Was it verbal?

If written, you have the basis of a court claim, and other actions. If not, bluff will be your best bet (within reason).

Given the situation you seem to be in - e.g. one payment missed, further materials on account, you need to act now, and stop all work until the matter is resolved.

Your first best bet is to meet face to face with the customer, and present them with the originally agreed terms, and ask, again, to be paid to date, so you can fulfil the reminder of your obligations under your agreement. If they refuse, ask why, and ask for it in writing.

Your likely response in this case will be issue of (a) a solicitor's letter, and (b) court papers or a statutory demand.

I would, prior to this, ensure that any materials purchased but not yet used, are removed from site forthwith, until such time as you can fit them, or return them to your supplier for credit.

It's hard to know exactly how to advise without further information about the basis of the agreement, and current status though.
 
plenty of so called sparks will finnish and job .....no problem, you assume that everyone is as ethical as you, well they aint...
i would be threatning to rip my work out and bill them for the time i have spent doing it. DOUBT THEY WILL PAY but at least they dont get your work for free

Can you actually do that or can they charge you with vandalism? Im in the same boat in terms of not getting paid.. and ive installed downlights, emergency lighting etc?

I seriously want to rip it all out now infront of his customers and bill him for the time spent doing so.
 
wasn't there a builder in the news about a year or so ago who turned up at a non paying clients' house and took down the porch he had built for her?
i'm pretty sure he got away with that, and amid much publicity too. i've tried to google this news item, but unfortunately i'm out of time - should have left the house a good 10 minutes ago.....
 

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