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Are they all cocks or is it just the one that works here?....:fuk2:...
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....I'm gonna swing for him I swear..lol!
unfortunately people have accidents (hopefully not to serious) and when that happens one of the first things that goes through there mind is compensation.
The paper trail you are talking about then attempts to demonstrate that the company has looked at all foreseeable scenarios, trained you to use all tools/climb ladders etc etc etc and in their eyes shows a court of law/solicitor that they have taken actions to mitigate any accidents occurring and basically covers their arse from prosecution.
You get used to it and as mentioned above you allow for it when pricing work, but I do agree it can get very frustrating. By the way I agree a generic RA is no good to man or beast.
UNG I get the impression you think all accidents are caused by lack of common sense and stupidity, yes most probably are but as I said it doesn't stop people from trying to claim. I've known people to get compensation for cycling down a hole which has been cordoned off and blinking lights around it, what more could you do? But they got money, and several thousands at that. H&S may have gone mad but are people getting more and more stupid? Who knows lol. If this particular H&S is that bad then he will soon be discovered but in general it is there for a reason and that is to protect the people who are sometimes surrounded by idiots
Point proven. I don't disagree with most of what you say but to say that accidents only happen through stupidity is a bit unjustified, we are all human and accidents do happen for whatever reason, RA/Method Statements etc etc are there to make people aware of the hazards and hopefully prevent them from happening, its not a guarantee.The fact that people will attempt something without knowledge, training or any research shows stupidity and a lack of common sense that there actions may result in an incident
It may show a lack of common sense or even the character to say no but there have been many instances when the employee has carried out a job because his boss has asked even if he felt it unsafe on the pretext of not wanting to be seen as a negative.
Every risk assessment shows that common sense is not that common any more having to include the obvious things like wearing gloves and safety specs for some tasks is just one example
So have you never seen people drilling/grinding etc without goggles?
I also believe that there are professional idiots who look for claim opportunities and make a career out of it as it beats working
There have been incidents even in our local supermarket where people have deliberately got themselves injured by trollies etc and made a claim against them.
Health and Safety is a bit like the EU it has totally lost sight of it's original aims and has been taken over by myriad of rules, misinterpretations, misunderstandings and ignorant jobsworths , everybody should be their own safety officer it is unfortunate that idiots are never held to account for their actions or stupidity because they have learnt that some one else is always to blame for any incident that causes them injury or loss
I agree but again it is there to protect the individual as well as the employee, unfortunately people take and advantage and try there luck.
When I was an employer I had a claim made against me because one of my employees snapped his achilles tendon doing something he was told not to I have first hand experience of being in the firing line and what the caused the incident would not have been covered in any RA I would also point out that the employee had an IOSH qualification so even those who should no better can cause a problem of their own making and try to blame some one else
All this HSE 'stuff' is a result of this litigationousness (made that up!) culture we're now living in.
(Another shyte American import)
Every Tom, Dock & Harry now think if they sprain their little finger, Oooh must sue someone.
So, I'm not really surprised employers might be covering themselves.
I think it all stinks myself, I like to think I can take care of myself, don't need some suited twunt to tell me owt!
That bike story, I'd make him do it again then fill the hole.
Here Hant,
Exactly! It's symptomatic of this airy fairy nanny stateism (Thanks Bliar, mustn't eat beef on the bone, lets invade Iraq), having personal responsiblity has gone out of the window.
Are there any short course how to become a lawyer available, screw electrical work, no win no fee is where the moneys at!!!!
I didn't say I respected our H&S officers, what I said was I appreciate what they are there for and do not have a total disregard for it like some people who have commented. I know that they can make life very difficult with their jobs worth approach but that doesn't make what they are trying to achieve any different. Common sense certainly does help with regards to H&S and goes a long way to prevent accidents but as said before, accidents do happen, the point I was making was that they are there to raise awareness and try to instil the safe approach mentality, just remember workers on site aren't always tradesmen/engineers and therefore the common sense isn't always there to start with. As for the pictures, these are factual, and a statement of stupidity to the lengths people will go to get the job done, not trying to depict typical H&S as a whole.
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