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I currently have a 54 plate Vivaro and today the gearbox started sounding like it needed an alarming amount of money spent on it.

I know these vans do have a bit of a weakness in the gearbox, and cant decidewhether to chop it in.

Anyone reccomend a van they use? or have experience with the gearbox issues on these vans?
 
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Why don't you just get the 'box rebuilt? I'll wager you'll lose out much more ££s changing it (it's value with a knackered 'box will be reduced), than it would cost you to get the 'box reconditioned.

Find yourself a local gearbox specialist. He'll know what is likely to be wrong and how to put it right. Bung in a new clutch at the same time and you'll be set.
 
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Yep had an 03 plate trafic and gearbox went at around 80k miles mechanic said it done well they usually go around 55k, cheapest quote for reconditioned gearbox was around £1800, so I have since bought an 11 plate trafic last year as apparently the gearbox system has now been redesigned


Apart from that issue I can't rate them vans enough, love em!
 

Amp David

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A recon box is cheaper than another van surely. Get one from a decent specialist and you'll be right

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agreed. or just bang a new box in. all stems from 1940, french gearboxes work best in reverse.

Thought it was the Italians Tel?
 
Hi,
Ive just ordered a new vw transporter t32 lwb with all the toys,
earliest i can get it is september cos its a factory order,
the 09 plate im trading in has done 132,000 miles and has never missed a beat,
you get what you pay for guys
reliability is what you want
 

Cbigfoot

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I was going to trade in via a dealer they dont bother with test driving, and its drivable now, only started today, just seems a lot of money on a van that may not last me much more than a couple of years.

£1800 on a new gear box, £11,000 on a new van.....
 

Cbigfoot

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Hi,
Ive just ordered a new vw transporter t32 lwb with all the toys,
earliest i can get it is september cos its a factory order,
the 09 plate im trading in has done 132,000 miles and has never missed a beat,
you get what you pay for guys
reliability is what you want
Yeah the VW do look nice,
 

Amp David

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1800 quid, were they wearing a mask?

Get what you pay for, I did well then, an 03 berlingo for 2k and has never gone wrong in 2 years
 
Ive had a 07 plate transit before the vw and before that a merc sprinter,
I like the vw best though
But everybody to their own
 
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1800 quid for a recon box. you was ripped off chap!!

30 seconds on google produced this:
Vivaro
and I reckon that's pricey.
 
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Martyc

I equate that to 34mpg with those figures.... It's better than my car anyway!!
 

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drove a vivaro for a guy and the gear box dropped out few times, i tied few cable ties round it// full tank £130 round 600 miles
 
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Our Renault Trafic in the garage. Been off the road for 3 weeks!!

It took 3 garages to diagnose the problem and finally the 6th garage has managed to do the work.

Fist we were told it was an ECU problem, unit was stripped out and taken away for testing to be told all working fine. Problem eventually turned out to be an injector (No4). The injector had welded into the head so no garage would touch it, the garage it's with now has the injector out but now not getting any compression in the cylinder!!!

Have been told all injectors need to come out, head off and skimmed and looking at a bill the best part of £1800.

The vans on a 08 plate with 95K. My dilemma now is, when it's back on the road, do we keep it or out it? The van (up until the breakdown) run's like a Turkish Bolex, very clean, FSH and well looked after, but the hassle we've gone through these last 3 weeks with a van down is a nightmare.

Do you buy new or second hand? Do you lease or buy?? So many decisions.
 
IVe a traffic, the gear box whines in certain gears, the bearings can be changed by a good machanic, but it takes a bit of time and money, my machanic has just done one so I can find out more on cost if required
 
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Ponty

Ok, you've got a problem with your van, but all your woes are not the vans fault. It really shouldn't be hard for a good garage to accurately diagnose the problem. Much of your hassle is caused by several garages failure to diagnose what's wrong and no doubt that's jacked up the overall cost too.

Trouble is that many garages these days don't have the proper skilled engineers you used to get years ago. Mechanics wages are low, training poor (cost cutting by dealers etc) and staff turnover high. I was in Warranty Engineering at a major OEM for four years and dealt with many components returned by dealers as faulty, but were not. Having visited many dealers, I can tell you I wouldn't trust most of them to service a walking stick.

Your problem of the siezed injector is similar to the issue of long life spark plugs. Many petrol engines now have plugs that have a 5 year or 60k life. This means they are never loosened from the head for years. Come change time, they've siezed in and suddenly the delicate alloy head needs to be removed and the spark holes remachined. If only garages would just loosen and retighten the plugs each year then this problem wouldn't occur. It's what I do with my cars.

Seperate out the van faults from the garage faults. The bottom line is that all vehicles require maintenance, it's simply a part of motoring. Once fixed your van will probably give many years good service again. I'm a firm believer in buying a vehicle as new and good condition as you can afford and running it for many years untill it is close to the end of its useful life - I believe it's the way to get best value. Oh, and service it more than the manufacturer recommends, especially oil changes.
 

Cbigfoot

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Ponty

Ok, you've got a problem with your van, but all your woes are not the vans fault. It really shouldn't be hard for a good garage to accurately diagnose the problem. Much of your hassle is caused by several garages failure to diagnose what's wrong and no doubt that's jacked up the overall cost too.

Trouble is that many garages these days don't have the proper skilled engineers you used to get years ago. Mechanics wages are low, training poor (cost cutting by dealers etc) and staff turnover high. I was in Warranty Engineering at a major OEM for four years and dealt with many components returned by dealers as faulty, but were not. Having visited many dealers, I can tell you I wouldn't trust most of them to service a walking stick.
Fully agree with this, and dealerships are the worst, £105 per hour for someone who could not read a dipstick! I use a local garage who do the job right, and have people who know what they are doing!
 
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I`d rather have that gearbox rebuilt than buy a new van. It will save you money in the long run. I`ve got a 99 astra van with 235000 miles on it. I change oil and filter every 14000 miles. My "service history" is the mileage at each service written on the dash in marker pen. Works for me.
 

Strima

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Ok, you've got a problem with your van, but all your woes are not the vans fault. It really shouldn't be hard for a good garage to accurately diagnose the problem. Much of your hassle is caused by several garages failure to diagnose what's wrong and no doubt that's jacked up the overall cost too.

Trouble is that many garages these days don't have the proper skilled engineers you used to get years ago. Mechanics wages are low, training poor (cost cutting by dealers etc) and staff turnover high. I was in Warranty Engineering at a major OEM for four years and dealt with many components returned by dealers as faulty, but were not. Having visited many dealers, I can tell you I wouldn't trust most of them to service a walking stick.

Your problem of the siezed injector is similar to the issue of long life spark plugs. Many petrol engines now have plugs that have a 5 year or 60k life. This means they are never loosened from the head for years. Come change time, they've siezed in and suddenly the delicate alloy head needs to be removed and the spark holes remachined. If only garages would just loosen and retighten the plugs each year then this problem wouldn't occur. It's what I do with my cars.

Seperate out the van faults from the garage faults. The bottom line is that all vehicles require maintenance, it's simply a part of motoring. Once fixed your van will probably give many years good service again. I'm a firm believer in buying a vehicle as new and good condition as you can afford and running it for many years untill it is close to the end of its useful life - I believe it's the way to get best value. Oh, and service it more than the manufacturer recommends, especially oil changes.
Nail square and firmly hit on the head. I still have good ties with the garage where I was an apprentice mechanic before joining the Army, same old faces working there apart from the odd apprentice that saw the light. Business built up by an old school engineer and his ethos is still firmly in place.

Problem is now there's too much reliance on computers to run what is basically a very simple machine, designers and eco warriors have had too much input over the years and maintaining a basic vehicle is getting harder every day.
 
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I had an 05 trafic from new and had little bother with it.
i also had the inkling that the gearbox was on its way after the linkage cable snapped and left me at a busy roundabout at 5.30pm .never been so glad to hand over 200quid for new ones I tell ye!it had 97000 on it and it was at the age it was gonna give bother.got peanuts on it against a new trafic sport.buying a new van is a minefield really.you wouldn't buy anything if you believed all the bad reports all vans seem to get.what I would say is keep it serviced regularly and don't thrash it to death and it should last the course.the new van gets about the same mpg as the old one and seems to be geared slightly different .i get bt fleet to do the servicing as I find them on the money and very clued up about transit/vivaro vans.
so my answer to the op would be get rid and get something newer cos I think it's gonna cost u plenty in repairs that would be better spent on shiny new wheels!
 

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Strima said--problem is now there's too much reliance on computers to run what is basically a very simple machine, designers and eco warriors have had too much input over the years and maintaining a basic vehicle is getting harder every day


I wonder how they think it's eco friendly to consign vehicles to the scrapyard because they are beyond economical repair.

I saw a beautiful Jag scrapped last week because the gearbox is paired to the engine ecu and the customer could not afford the box or the labour to get one out the scrappy and change the the boxes control unit.

You are dead right , to much unnecessary electronic wizardry to keep the wheels turning
 
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