What would you do!!

[trev]

1 His scheme, if he's a member, are not going to do anything. After all they have inspected him and deemed him competent, they are not going to admit they were wrong as has been demonstrated,
2 LABC are not going to do anything regarding the lack of certs and notification because they have neither the manpower, money or inclination to do so.
3 Trading Standards aren't going to do anything because there is little evidence that the guy was ever there in the first place

 

[oldtimer]

If someone is a scheme member and they leave hazardous work what are you legally required to do? Is there a law or a scheme rule you've agreed to in their contract that requires you report someone?

This is when you find out your paying £700 a year for a Scheme membership and there is no one policing it but just you try and use a Schemies badge / logo without paying for it and they will jump on you from a great height. Years ago we had respect on jobs and other trades used to look to us to protect their safety ie well if the spark will not use the scaffold neither will we now we are just a joke trying to cover our backsides

 

[Marvo]

So if the scheme's aren't interested in bolstering standards is there any legal requirement to report? Maybe go open a docket at the police station for attempted manslaughter?

 

[trev]

The police won't be interested either mate, no crime has been committed in their eyes.

 

[monkee]

all good points chaps on this matter

its down to the customer I think thay can take it further with the complaints procedure I will nudge them to phone and run it by the organosisation

i have corrected the faulty wire by installing a new circuit so that that done and as you said another customer to the books

 

[AndyOz]

Listen this has nothing to do with "Grassing" our trade is saturated with guys doing a job tomorrow and are on here tonight to find out how to do it something has to give and in our game there is a fine line between dangerous and criminal plus does not help that the Schemies and the law operate a last man free's all approach remember its not about honor amongst thieves remember these clowns depend on people not to rock the boat as it does not make them better sparks hell no it just gives them an illusion that they can get away with it.

I will leave you with this thought you follow one of these clowns on a job and even if you get pulled and are asked why did you not say anything and you reply I don't grass fine the say we will hold you negligent as well

I could not have put it better. After descovering this you have a rsponsibility to report it. In your position I would quote for a full periodic, it sounds like the customers know things are not right. This will give you and them confidence that the house is safe and your name will noy be tarred with his or her work. Then if there is remedial works then quote again as usual.

If the system works then the indiidual will learn from this. If and more likely nothing happens this is not down to you as neither you or me introduced part P.

 

[thomas-1981]

Who do you report it to? And with what proof?

 

[Des 56]

Had a similar situation myself and the customer demanded action . I contacted the Nic , he was also registered with them , they said customer has to demand the guy goes back and put it right im writing or pay for someone else to put it right . I told the customer , and I issued a Danger Notification ( cover your backside) and walked away , Dont let thes morons get away with this, The Nic would get involved if the situation is not rectified[/QUOTE]

There is a lot of wishful thinking in our ranks,iDo you honestly believe what you just wrote lol

To the op
You were engaged to carry out works ,whether that be installation or test/fault finding
You use your skills and identify the problem.report,give a price and the customer decides what to do

Your responsibility to the customer to report on the installation standard can be done without recourse to becoming some type of Sherlock Holmes and persuing the culprit

You could tell the customer how procedures for complaint are structured,ie for her to contact Nicy
What action she takes is her responsibility

None of us are happy with shoddy work and the chancers that infest this trade,but we are not regulators of standards,it is for Government and the industry leaders to put in structures that are suitable for the customers and for the industry standards

They have failed miserably in our eyes to do so,but in their own eyes and that of the schemes they have done a swell job with regulation and safe standards thus far
We see it differently,but we are just the workhorses,they are the jockeys

Do your job,get paid,have a moan if it suits,then move on to the next sorry install knowing you keep standards and safe installations,even if others fall short

 

[AndyOz]

Who do you report it to? And with what proof?

I understand along with all that the system is far from perfect but that can not be a reason for not doing the right thing.

I would check the Competent Persons Register | Home database to see if they are on there.
If they are then go to the provider they registered with
If they are not go to local authority building control and Trading Standards and let them deal with it, they might not do anything, but that can not be your responsibility.

In this case there was a real possibility of someone being killed.

The proof is yours and the customers witness statements.

 

[trev]

Andy with the best will in the world mate, we are not the electrical police. You can either spend your time earning or you can spend it tilting at windmills. The subject has been done to death on here, the schemes are not interested, LABC can't be bothered, trading standards don't care.
Is it right? Hell no.
Can anything be done about it? Yes but not by us, the guys at the coal face.
Is that right? Hell no