One ring main for whole house

[richo106]

Something a bit odd here then. I can remember loads of threads on here criticising "Electrical Trainee" and "Domestic Installers", along the lines of "a spark is a spark, there are no different disciplines and a proper spark should be able to tackle anything. Now, I am not sticking up for the former at all, but does the same thing not work in reverse? Should an industrial spark no be able to sort this out without recourse to asking on a forum? Just saying, its not rocket science.

i know what you're saying and I could figure it out but I'm big believer in if there is something you're not 100% on you should ask no matter how stupid it sounds. Would much rather ask your guys opinions on the the matter before I steam in and do something I regret. Like I said its my first domestic installation and would like to do it right

 

[Midwest]

Yes that's what I was thinking Midwest, ideally I didn't want to touch the floorboards upstairs. I also have another question how do people generally run the cables around the kitchen behind the units. I'm going to have a couple of sockets above worktop and a couple of sockets in adjacent cupboards for integrated appliances. Chase it out at low level in the safe zone or just clip direct and then chase out for the sockets above the worktop. If I clipped direct would I have to wait until it's been plastered. I would like to get as much done as I can now as the plasterer isn't available for a couple of weeks.

all help appreciated as you can this is first proper domestic installation

thanks all

Run the cables as is easiest. Run them in safes zones horizontally or vertically between sockets. If you run cables clipped surface behind units, run them at plinth level, saves having to notch backs of vertical panels of floor units, then flush in from below worktop to socket.

 

[sparksburnout]

i know what you're saying and I could figure it out but I'm big believer in if there is something you're not 100% on you should ask no matter how stupid it sounds. Would much rather ask your guys opinions on the the matter before I steam in and do something I regret. Like I said its my first domestic installation and would like to do it right

I'm not criticising you at all mate, just seemed a bit of an odd comment from the mod to "go easy" not usually much going easy on DI's, which is probably right, just seemed a bit rich.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Something a bit odd here then. I can remember loads of threads on here criticising "Electrical Trainee" and "Domestic Installers", along the lines of "a spark is a spark, there are no different disciplines and a proper spark should be able to tackle anything. Now, I am not sticking up for the former at all, but does the same thing not work in reverse? Should an industrial spark no be able to sort this out without recourse to asking on a forum? Just saying, its not rocket science.

A time served electrician who's looking for a little advice or a Electrical Trainee who needs a step by step guide is a little different Imo.

 

[richo106]

Just asking for a little advice, not exactly step by step guide

 

[Midwest]

Just asking for a little advice, not exactly step by step guide

I'm not gonna tell you the next step.

 

[richo106]

I'm not gonna tell you the next step.

looks like the job will be on hold then until someone reveals the next step:computer:

 

[Risteard]

complying with reg 314 (division of installation).

Only if a single circuit is prone to giving problems, which in reality it probably won't be.

App 15 recommends a maximum of 100 sqm for 1 x RFC.

It only states that it was a historic requirement, so it isn't even a recommendation now.

 

[Midwest]

Only if a single circuit is prone to giving problems, which in reality it probably won't be.

That's not how I understand the reg, i.e. 314.1 (i)


It only states that it was a historic requirement, so it isn't even a recommendation now.

It says 'Historically, a limit of 100m2 has been adopted', (adopted - definition; choose to take up or follow an idea). I was trying to suggest, that it wouldn't be an issue to have one rfc in terms of load, for a typical domestic property

In reply.

 

[Risteard]

In reply.

The division of circuits is required to ensure that the installation will operate safely; minimise inconvenience, etc.

The reality is that there isn't likely to be any adverse effect on safety in a domestic installation if a ring final circuit has a fault, nor is the inconvenience likely to be of any real level.

A risk assessment would probably show that the arrangement is fine, although most wouldn't choose to install that way in a new installation. (Evidently whoever installed it did, however.)

 

[Midwest]

The division of circuits is required to ensure that the installation will operate safely; minimise inconvenience, etc.

The reality is that there isn't likely to be any adverse effect on safety in a domestic installation if a ring final circuit has a fault, nor is the inconvenience likely to be of any real level.

A risk assessment would probably show that the arrangement is fine, although most wouldn't choose to install that way in a new installation. (Evidently whoever installed it did, however.)

Until the home owner chooses to put up a shelf at the weekend, and drills into the only rfc circuit in the house.

 

[Octopus]

Just asking for a little advice, not exactly step by step guide

Do you have test kit?

 

[Paul.M]

I'm not criticising you at all mate, just seemed a bit of an odd comment from the mod to "go easy" not usually much going easy on DI's, which is probably right, just seemed a bit rich.

We have had this same scenario many times over the years, an industrial electrician asks for help/guidance whilst carrying out work on their own home. If the person has never worked in the house bashing side of things, it is best to ask. My post is there to show the OP's level of competence/a bit of background info before the barrage of questions that soon follow (are you a sparky? Get an electrician in! etc etc etc).

ps, Regardless if the OP is a DI, Electrical Trainee and the thread is going down hill. Just hit the report button and bring it to the Staffs attention (if we are not already watching it).