Using chimney as cable route?

[littlespark]

I'm going to look at a job on Monday and I'm not sure if there's any regulations that I need to think about.
The job is to install a wall mounted TV on a chimney breast, with the sky box and bluray player installed in the fireplace.
Now obviously the fire isn't in use, and the homeowners are utilising a wasted space.

My thought was to drill straight through the brickwork into the chimney and drop the cables down the void, possibly in pvc conduit. Alternatively, cut a channel into the front of the wall.
Is there any building regs to say I cant drill through it?

I also need to find power for inside the fireplace, so the whole job might not happen if there's no socket nearby.

I could run surface trunking up the front, but that's not going to look very professional.

 

[Octopus]

I would say what you are proposing is fine .... but as you say you need a socket too ..............

 

[littlespark]

If the route is ok, my plan was to find a nearby socket on the rfc, spur off through an sfu and run a radial to the fireplace, double socket, or even 2 x doubles there for the equipment. Then run up through the void, coming out behind where the TV will be positioned with a single socket on a dual box, with a brush plate next to it for all the AV cables.

The homeowner will be decorating after, and building shelves inside the fireplace.

I think i'll leave him to mount the TV bracket. Knowing him, it'll be 50" TV at least

 

[Octopus]

^^ I would ask him to mount the TV bracket before you do your bits ...

Then you know where he will be drilling

 

[Spoon]

or even 2 x doubles there for the equipment.

They already have a TV, Bluray & Sky box. I'd go with the above. 2 double sockets.

 

[littlespark]

Yes.There might be a games console, or whatever. I'm going to need a big hole for HDMI cables.

 

[Squid]

Remove chimney breast, #dothejobproperly ;o)))

 

[123]

For all the extra cost I'd put a double socket behind the TV as well. The likes of firesticks and roku sticks are ever improving so who knows what they will plug into hdmi ports in time to come

 

[Corbs]

Make a disclaimer up saying they can't use the fire again / they can't install one etc

 

[telectrix]

most importantly you need a 10 year old child to do the work inside the chimney.

 

[pirate]

I got some very good advice on here when I installed a wall-mounted TV...and the brush plates were an excellent choice. I would say that the ones from TLC were far superior to those from Screwfix. The 38mm conduit easily took 2 HDMI, a satellite cable, a coax cable and an ethernet, with room to spare, and the usual 16mm for the power supply. For what it's worth, I bought the HDMI cables from Currys, and opted for the flat ones...they are very easy to install, and take up little space, plus the actual plugs are neat, not too bulky. Fully agree with Murdoch-get client to install the TV bracket beforehand, so you know where everything is to fit. As advised, I used a double back-box, with the media cables to one side, took out the 2 cutouts and sawed the rest out to make a rectangular hole, with grommet strip.

I fitted a "divider" between the 2 sides of the back-box, keeping separation between the media cables and the power supply. Probably not really necessary.

 

[Squid]

most importantly you need a 10 year old child to do the work inside the chimney.

A 10 year old English child will be so fat he'd get stuck,

 

[pirate]

but not a scrawny Scot!

 

[Squid]

but not a scrawny heroin addict lower sugar Irn brew drinking Scot!

He'll be cheaper as well..........

 

[pirate]

...and eat the soot, thinking it's the "good stuff"

 

[Andy5678]

I have noticed this forum loves the Scots.
Another good thread that’s ended up about the Scottish or about alcohol.

 

[telectrix]

I have noticed this forum loves the Scots.
Another good thread that’s ended up about the Scottish or about alcohol.

all in jest, my friend. think about us poor Scousers. we're all classed as thieving gits.

 

[Wes1000]

Just a thought, but if this a semidetached and an old house (Victorian etc) then the fires from this and next door will use the same stack. The bricks inside the stack that separate the flues are usually loosely stacked with bits of mortar faking out. This would compromise the separation of each flue. Then if next door lit a fire that didn’t have a steel liner the result could be dangerous gasses finding a path in to the room. Just something to be aware of.

 

[littlespark]

I think it is a semi... but i'll see tomorrow. I'll find out from the homeowner how long their fire has been removed for. There will be a smell if next door are still using theirs, even from a few months back.

I've worked in attics before where next doors fire smoke was seeping through the walls. No one knew until we were in rewiring. That all had to be sorted before we could go back in.

I'm hoping they haven't just blocked the chimney just above the fireplace so I cant get up the void.
Surface trunking might be my (their) only option.

 

[elsparko]

most importantly you need a 10 year old child to do the work inside the chimney.

or a chain on a bit of string lol

 

[elsparko]

all in jest, my friend. think about us poor Scousers. we're all classed as thieving gits.

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up here the petrol stations on the southern end of the city have to report you lot and your vehicle registrations to the police so they can search your vehicles

if you have a scouse accent, expect to be searched

 

[elsparko]

I think it is a semi... but i'll see tomorrow. I'll find out from the homeowner how long their fire has been removed for. There will be a smell if next door are still using theirs, even from a few months back.

I've worked in attics before where next doors fire smoke was seeping through the walls. No one knew until we were in rewiring. That all had to be sorted before we could go back in.

I'm hoping they haven't just blocked the chimney just above the fireplace so I cant get up the void.
Surface trunking might be my (their) only option.

i worked in a loft space in a fish factory that had a wood burning stove exhausted into the loft space, there was a vent in the roof where i could cool down at lol spent most of my day there the heat was unreal

had a decent respirator on but i assume i needed an oxygen tank in reality

 

[telectrix]

up here the petrol stations on the southern end of the city have to report you lot and your vehicle registrations to the police so they can search your vehicles

if you have a scouse accent, expect to be searched

sweaty sock cops won't find anything. a bottle of single malt will make them look elsewhere.

 

[elsparko]

sweaty sock cops won't find anything. a bottle of single malt will make them look elsewhere.

there was a chap from birmingham staying in one of the hotels here, he had previous for firearms , turned out he was only on holiday

birmingham must be ---- if you choose to holiday here lol

 

[Squid]

I have noticed this forum loves the Scots.
Another good thread that’s ended up about the Scottish or about alcohol.

 

[elsparko]

if the guy isnt even going to physically play the violin (poofters guitar) he could have gotten a smaller one

 

[littlespark]

Been to look at the job today. Straightforward.
Theres a single socket on the RFC about 300mm from the right hand side of the chimney breast. (that's 1 foot for the elders amongst you)
Chisel out a channel horizontally and change the socket to a SFU.
Drill from fireplace out to meet the channel. Fit 2 double sockets on pattresses inside the fireplace. (could be 3 doubles now, looking at everything they have under the telly just now. Sky box, bluray, firestick, speakers)

The TV they have has a removable mains lead with the figure 8 socket.
Is it possible to run this along with the AV through the same pipe into the chimney void rather than installing a single socket behind the TV?

 

[Squid]

12 inches

 

[littlespark]

12 inches? lucky you, but this isn't the place for boasting

 

[Squid]

12 inches? lucky you, but this isn't the place for boasting

Thats folded in half............

 

[MDJ]

I have noticed this forum loves the Scots.
Another good thread that’s ended up about the Scottish or about alcohol.

Of course, we are jealous of you, you get everything we English do not, your constantly ----ed and constantly slagging us off and we laugh it off, we closed down our ship yards to keep yours going to try to keep you in the UK and we buy your shortcake biscuits, now can you please try to like each other or is Clan troubles still an everyday event up there

 

[Andy5678]

add in some usb sockets as that will be usefull for fire sticks and won’t take up “plugtop” spaces

 

[Toneyz]

Note for BS7671 18th Amendment 1 when installing within chimneys cables must be supported and fixed to avoid the entanglement of visitors entering the dwelling.

 

[elsparko]

Of course, we are jealous of you, you get everything we English do not, your constantly ****ed and constantly slagging us off and we laugh it off, we closed down our ship yards to keep yours going to try to keep you in the UK and we buy your shortcake biscuits, now can you please try to like each other or is Clan troubles still an everyday event up there

we do house most of the uks nuclear weaponry though...

 

[Squid]

we do house most of the uks nuclear weaponry though...

The Russians will target Scotland to take them out, the English aren't stupid. BOOM problem sorted Scotland leaves the union ;o))))))

 

[elsparko]

The Russians will target Scotland to take them out, the English aren't stupid. BOOM problem sorted Scotland leaves the union ;o))))))

we also have the largest gas pipeline into our shores from the north sea and europe

 

[elsparko]

The Russians will target Scotland to take them out, the English aren't stupid. BOOM problem sorted Scotland leaves the union ;o))))))

we will just sell them to putin under your noses and be his buddy

 

[Spoon]

Note for BS7671 18th Amendment 1 when installing within chimneys cables must be supported and fixed to avoid the entanglement of visitors entering the dwelling.

It's about time BE7671 looked out for Santa's safety as well....

 

[telectrix]

The Russians will target Scotland to take them out, the English aren't stupid. BOOM problem sorted Scotland leaves the union ;o))))))

taking their disgusting haggis with them, not to mention them god-awful sounding bagpipes:

 

[Spoon]

taking their disgusting haggis with them, not to mention them god-awful sounding bagpipes:

I want to try a proper haggis..

 

[elsparko]

I want to try a proper haggis..

no you dont

 

[Spoon]

no you dont

are they crap then....

 

[Squid]

are they crap then....

elsparko wants you to teabag him, don't tempted by his "niceness" ;o))))

 

[littlespark]

I want to try a proper haggis..

You'de never be able to catch one.

 

[telectrix]

haggis....used teabags wrapped up in an old condom.

 

[Spoon]

Haggis is a savoury pudding containing sheep's pluck; minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock,

Black pudding is generally made from pork fat or beef suet, pork blood and a relatively high proportion of oatmeal

They sound similar... just wondering if they taste similar.

 

[Spoon]

elsparko wants you to teabag him, don't tempted by his "niceness" ;o))))

Been there... done that....

 

[telectrix]

Haggis is a savoury pudding containing sheep's pluck; minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock,

Black pudding is generally made from pork fat or beef suet, pork blood and a relatively high proportion of oatmeal

They sound similar... just wondering if they taste similar.

so... both are offal. would not feed that to the dogs.

 

[DPG]

Sheep's pluck?

 

[Spoon]

Sheep's pluck?

I had to Google it.
"sheep's 'pluck" (heart, liver, and lungs)