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because to crate a 32A radial, you need to use 4mm or 6mm cable. and a radialcould well end up with the last socket alomost back to the board, so the extra leg of a ring might be only a few yards.How does a ring use less copper?
A radial is basically a ring without the return cables. Confused!
As already mentioned by @telectrix because the ring can use smaller cable for the same overall rating. Almost all final ring circuits in the UK use 2.5mm cross sectional area cables for a 32A rating, to do the same total current as a radial you need to use 4mm (saving in copper of typically over 30%) or even 6mm if the length is great.How does a ring use less copper?
A radial is basically a ring without the return cables. Confused!
Schneider produce rcbos with no neutral fly lead on their acti 9 isobar P DB’s, think the rcbo’s are only single pole tho.Do you think that manufactures will standardise with the rest of the world and produce dual module RCBO's and get rid of the flying lead?
no neutral or no earth?Schneider produce rcbos with no neutral fly lead on their acti 9 isobar P DB’s, think the rcbo’s are only single pole tho.
No fly leads on eitherno neutral or no earth?
Because its ours. Long live the RFCBecause we are British and don’t like change and have to do everything differently to the rest of the world
not seen these as yet.No fly leads on either
Isobar P is the first LV distribution board to have a plug-on RCBO (residual-current circuit breaker with overcurrent protection) capability. RCBO neutral and functional earth connections are usually wired into the neutral and earth terminals inside the distribution board, costing significant time by introducing additional wiring. With the new Acti9 Isobar P, installers can simply plug their RCBO directly into the board. This eliminates the need to cut, straighten or dress any excess wiring therefore reducing installation time by half.
See link abovenot seen these as yet.
2 modules is Far too big for some of the domestic CU’s and won’t fit in 3phase DB’sContactum make dual pole RCBO's to international standard which in France, Switzerland and Germany it is a requirement to disconnect the neutral on activation: 40 Amp 30mA RCBO - 2 Module - Contactum - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/CPBR402.html
I went with Wylex for that reason, but in my case it is more about ease of testing.2 modules is Far too big for some of the domestic CU’s
Wylex and Crabtree do a single module type which is DP
DP rcbos is definitely a consideration and necessary for that reason but you can have a domestic CU with just a mains switch isolator giving you your DP isolation and just single pole rcbo’s for the final circuits. Same principle for 3 phase, as long as the tails are subject to non movement and enter a ferrous material in a suitable gland etc, and are the insulated and sheathed typeI went with Wylex for that reason, but in my case it is more about ease of testing.
Another difference is in the UK a TT supply with a RCD incomer is relatively rare so you don't usually have to worry about a N-E fault tripping the RCBO and that, if single pole, will not isolate the N fault so the main incomer RCD might also trip.
Not the current, though 6kA is low for a TPN board. It might be the phase barriers are not up to 400V or something, but whatever the reason they are not listed by Wylex as approved.Why not?
If it’s because of them being only 6Ka then they don’t necessarily need to be greater than 6Ka
Something to bare in mind, cheers.Not the current, though 6kA is low for a TPN board. It might be the phase barriers are not up to 400V or something, but whatever the reason they are not listed by Wylex as approved.
If you are happy with Wylex or Crabtree they do single module RCBO for domestic boards with DP switching.I prefer radials protected by RCBOs and would welcome DP ones if they could get them in a single module.
How can they claim to be DP but are not?The problem is they are not true double pole switching in a single module, only the double module units have double pole switching, its the physical size of the internals that dictate the width of the module two contacts at a distance of 3mm width can't fit in a single module.
With AFDD you are looking at something in the £1-2k region for a full CU at trade price, so it is something that is a very difficult to sell to most folk.I'v obviously lead a sheltered life, especially over the last four weeks, cost seem a bit prohibitive, but then if you take into account the three modules it replaces, perhaps not that expensive, thanks for that.
I can't see a problem in getting 3mm clearance when open, but I can see a problem in having an arc-quench chamber in a single-module size device if you were interrupting a N-E fault at high current.I have come to the conclusion that you can't get true separation of 3mm on each pole without the extra width, which seems logical when you consider the doubling up of the number of mechanical components needed, obviously flying leads are not required.
He may be putting more downwards pressure to stop it camming out the screw head.Interesting to watch Nagy at 2:18 and how much pressure he is putting on his torque screwdriver to get it to click over, seems to fly in the face of those that told me that 2.1N is only just over hand tight.
I’ve got the same torque screwdriver, you do have to apply a bit of pressure on the 2.8Nm for the Hager mcb,s , Schneider rcbos are from memory around 2Nm so not so much pressureInteresting to watch Nagy at 2:18 and how much pressure he is putting on his torque screwdriver to get it to click over, seems to fly in the face of those that told me that 2.1N is only just over hand tight.
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