who signs off a qualified supervisor

[woodywoodpecker]

I have recently been appointed Qualified Supervisor for my firm and was wondering who countersigns my work as I still carry out EICRs and installations?

Thank you

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I just counter sign my own work. NIC said it was ok?

 

[shagbite]

what are your sparks like? do you feel happy signing their work off?

 

[Flanders]

Yes just sign yor own work then the nice NIC man will check your work one a year but between then its up to you to get it right

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I issue photocopied Certs out so I can fully go through them whilst typing them out. Spot check most jobs and check test results.

 

[woodywoodpecker]

what are your sparks like? do you feel happy signing their work off?

Reasonable happy with their work. One of our newbies has some problems compiling the EICRs so I have been out with him to oversee. One he submitted to me I refused to sign off as too much info missing or unclear. Tempted to send him back to retest but think the tenant may object.

 

[jackhammerJIM]

the certs need countersigning by the qualified supervisor and the person doing the tests , if this is both you , sign it twice
as a qualified supervisor you are the duty holder so its all on your head now .

 

[woodywoodpecker]

I just counter sign my own work. NIC said it was ok?

Okay, cheers.

 

[woodywoodpecker]

the certs need countersigning by the qualified supervisor and the person doing the tests , if this is both you , sign it twice
as a qualified supervisor you are the duty holder so its all on your head now .

Do I need a hard hat?

 

[Flanders]

I find EICR the hardest to check with all the tick sheets I have make sure the sparks have ticked the correct boxes with reference to what observations they and made and what limitations are involved

 

[shagbite]

Reasonable happy with their work. One of our newbies has some problems compiling the EICRs so I have been out with him to oversee. One he submitted to me I refused to sign off as too much info missing or unclear. Tempted to send him back to retest but think the tenant may object.

yeah, these are the decisions you'll have to make now. you'll just have to annoy the tenant - don't go sticking your name on anything you think could come back and bite you on the arse.

congratulations on the promotion.

 

[jackhammerJIM]

Do I need a hard hat?

and boots ,vest ,gloves,goggles hahaha,

seriously tho have seen QS not even look at the certs and have the person carrying out the test forge the signature or have a stamp with it on ,

 

[andygosmore]

I have a similar issue with some of our guys. I'm the QS, and was getting all sorts of poor test sheets back with loads of info missing. I compiled a check sheet of all the info that was required (basic things like number of points and location of DB). I also made a domestic EICR tick sheet explanation, explaining what all the tick boxes meant. I can't take credit for some of the text, I copied and pasted from a ot of sources, but it seems to have helped. If someone could give me a pointer to uploading a pdf onto here I'd be happy to share.

 

[Richard Burns]

If someone could give me a pointer to uploading a pdf onto here I'd be happy to share.

In reply click on "go advanced" on the bottom right then click on the attachments button


choose the file from your computer then choose upload file and it will be inserted in your post.

 

[Rampantchilli]

the certs need countersigning by the qualified supervisor and the person doing the tests , if this is both you , sign it twice
as a qualified supervisor you are the duty holder so its all on your head now .

Not always so mate.
I am a QS, as are 2 others in my company, but the duty holder is another person altogether, in fact until very recently it was someone who has never been an electrician.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Not always so mate.
I am a QS, as are 2 others in my company, but the duty holder is another person altogether, in fact until very recently it was someone who has never been an electrician.

The law will appoint the duty holder.
So it wouldn't have been an incompetent person if competent persons are in the same enterprise.

 

[Rampantchilli]

anyone can be a duty holder, so long as they also have QS's to do the actual work of overseeing, duty holder is just a position of responsibility not ability

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I find EICR the hardest to check with all the tick sheets I have make sure the sparks have ticked the correct boxes with reference to what observations they and made and what limitations are involved

thats why,as a system, its fundamentally flawed, and it should be one licence one spark, all sparks that do this work are quailfied and registered. As it stands its cobblers and doesnt work.

this is what NAPIT etc are doing, each member has to be qualified and checked.

the QS system needs bazooka-ing.

 

[andygosmore]

Message for Flanders. Here's the "Domestic EICR tick sheet explained" I made for the men. Anyone feel free to suggest any changes.

 

[MDJ]

I just sign off my own work like some of the others have suggested as well.

 

[woodywoodpecker]

thats why,as a system, its fundamentally flawed, and it should be one licence one spark, all sparks that do this work are quailfied and registered. As it stands its cobblers and doesnt work.

this is what NAPIT etc are doing, each member has to be qualified and checked.

the QS system needs bazooka-ing.

That's why I tried to get our company to go via NAPIT or ELECSA as each sparks is examined, but they felt that NIC was better recognised by "their clients". I explained that, when I was a sole trader and registered with ELECSA, I found them much more approachable than the "recognised" body, and a majority of my customers were not concerned.

 

[Flanders]

Message for Flanders. Here's the "Domestic EICR tick sheet explained" I made for the men. Anyone feel free to suggest any changes.

This looks good can't see problems with it, thanks for posting .I think a lot of sparks will find these useful .
Just a note : 5.19 and 7.4 refer to external influences. Because we do a lot of industrial work one of my examples is "Plastic sockets use in a work shop (code 3)". not sure if this might be applicable to a garage in a domestic installation in some cases.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Message for Flanders. Here's the "Domestic EICR tick sheet explained" I made for the men. Anyone feel free to suggest any changes.

You dont have one of these for EICR do you, would be a cracking referance for our lads to have on their van.

 

[cobrauk]

it is for EIRC ????

Thanks for that m8 printed some copys off for the lads

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

No its not its for a domestic

 

[cobrauk]

R right yes it is my mistake