2391 July 2011 Chief Examiners Report

[VMan]

Hi guys, the report is online now, so iassume we should be getting our results real soon.

http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/Chief_examiners_report_July_2011.pdf

 

[trev]

Good luck guys, hope you're in the 37% who passed

 

[ian.settle1]

See that the same old comments are still coming out as people who are doing it are totally unprepared or just do not know what they are doing by the same low pass mark again.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

Wow, pretty scathing comments (interesting that they point out candidates suitability to even be on the course)

 

[trev]

Wow, pretty scathing comments (interesting that they point out candidates suitability to even be on the course)

Suitability for the course is, in my humble opinion, something that needs to be addressed. I know it's up to the colleges and they all want to make money, oops I mean educate people, but when I did the course there was a taxi driver and a pizza delivery guy on it. Neither of them had any electrical experience and surprise surprise both failed. I have no problem with people bettering themselves but to me the college scored £500 and wasted the time of these two guys.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Suitability for the course is, in my humble opinion, something that needs to be addressed. I know it's up to the colleges and they all want to make money, oops I mean educate people, but when I did the course there was a taxi driver and a pizza delivery guy on it. Neither of them had any electrical experience and surprise surprise both failed. I have no problem with people bettering themselves but to me the college scored £500 and wasted the time of these two guys.

I absolutely disagree, if I had a training centre I'd take anyone's money if they wanted to take a course!

Can you imagine signing up to a course and paying a fee but being too thick to even check on what the course is or how difficult it is to pass?

There are thousands of posts and internet pages on passing the 2391-10 and what it involves, it's just about time some of these people 'manned up' and took responsibility for their own mistakes instead of always looking for someone else to blame.

 

[trev]

You have some great and totally accurate points there IQ but with these two guys there was a hell of a lot of course time wasted answering questions that would never have arisen had they had the foundation knowledge in place.

 

[IQ Electrical]

You have some great and totally accurate points there IQ but with these two guys there was a hell of a lot of course time wasted answering questions that would never have arisen had they had the foundation knowledge in place.

Yes, that's true, not exactly fair on the guys sitting there wanting to push on.

 

[Octopus]

All I can say is well done C & G for not making this exam easier to pass.

I see GCSE papers regularly and I am horrified about the dumming down of exams in general,

 

[SPARTYKUS]

True Murdoch, but instead they're ditching it and making it easier another way....just glad did mine and got it!

 

[Guest123]

One of the worst reports I've read, some really basic items being messed up.

No wonder 'they' are changing it!!!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Lenny, its not the exam that needs changing. ..... it's some brains ..... :13:

 

[Octopus]

So what exactly is replacing the 2391??

 

[Guest123]

So what exactly is replacing the 2391??

http://www.electriciansforums.net/i...55-2391-changing.html?highlight=2391+changing

 

[silver surfer]

A couple of questions.
What is the difference between the 2391-301, 2391-10 and 2391-20? Or am i getting muddled?

The other question is this, if the success rate is 37%. does that include the overall course or just the written paper?
Im thinking that some people who passed the written might have not passed the practical, making the net success rate even less.

 

[La Poste]

well I haven't even done my practical yet so I guess the success rate must relate to just the theory.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

La Poste, practical was one of the hardest 5 things I have ever done, don't know why, just really focused and was ... hard.
Others were my bike test (bloke was a b!stard), Basic Chainsaw Operative assessment (bloke was a b!stard and it was december 21st and no tree fell right - put saw down in the end and told him I knew he was going to fail me anyway so might as well walk - he didn't), and reading a poem at my Grandads funeral this year.

 

[La Poste]

The theory I thought was hard but do-able because the secret is in doing past papers and home study.

The practical is a different story.
I don't get much testing practice or form filling so I'm a bit apprehensive.
I'm worried I might run out of time or the tester will be a complete w@nker.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Just assume he is a stickler and be ready for that, and then you will not fail. Be the best at what you do.

Go for it man.

But in a slow methodical-whilst-watching-the-clock kind of way.

You are making such an effort to gem up on it I think you will be ok :1eye:

 

[silver surfer]

Ill second that Spartykus, i get the impression LA will pass.
Good luck.

 

[High Tower]

Everyone should have their results by now, i took the july exam and my certificate arrived in the post this morning.

 

[silver surfer]

i took the july written but only the practical a week ago.

 

[Risteard]

What is the difference between the 2391-301, 2391-10 and 2391-20? Or am i getting muddled?

2391-301 is the written exam associated with the 2391-10 qualification (Level 3 Certificate in Inspection, Testing & Certification of Electrical Installations) - Technical Knowledge of the Inspection, Testing & Certification of Electrical Installations. 2391-20 is another qualification (Level 3 Certificate in Design, Erection & Verification of Electrical Installations (formerly known as the 2400)).

Others include 2391-302 (practical exam) - Practical Application of the Inspection, Testing & Certification of Electrical Installations (applicable to BOTH 2391 qualifications).

And 2391-303 - Technical Knowledge of the Design, Erection & Verification of Electrical Installations - written exam associated with 2391-20.

Finally 2391-304 - Design of Electrical Installations. This is a Project and is associated with 2391-20.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Hahaha

Please don't keep it to yourself we could all do with a laugh???

 

[trev]

So you're laughing at some things a member found difficult, one of which was his grandfathers funeral. Now what does that tell us about the kind of person you are?

 

[trev]

No you do not owe me an explanation. You do, however, owe the members of this forum a little respect if you want to continue to be part of it. I will take the advice of my late father(no doubt you will find that amusing too) and not get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man and merely report your disgraceful post

 

[Guest123]

and merely report your disgraceful post

Well done that man.