£4K rewire what do you expect ...

[Dustydazzler]

when it comes to rewires you literally get what you pay for , £4K allows 3 days to complete the job , of course it’s going to be thrown in roughly imo

 

[GBDamo]

I watched that video and most of the rough stuff could have been done better for very little cost or effort. Looks like inexperience.

However £4k for a 3 bed semi is not unreasonably cheap and would pay well for a spark and lad for a whole week.

All white accessories, RCBO board, pendant per room wouldn't come to much more than £1k.

So, If I paid £4k, yes I'd expect a lot better.

 

[stevethesparks]

when it comes to rewires you literally get what you pay for , £4K allows 3 days to complete the job , of course it’s going to be thrown in roughly imo

Yes, the level of work is appalling, A bit of cable tray in the loft would have solved a lot of the problem. How do you calculate £4K = 3 days work? You must be working on £1000 a day, I've only ever earnt that on commercial, never domestic.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Yes, the level of work is appalling, A bit of cable tray in the loft would have solved a lot of the problem. How do you calculate £4K = 3 days work? You must be working on £1000 a day, I've only ever earnt that on commercial, never domestic.

£3K labour (1 electrician + 1 mate for 3 long days) + £1K materials

 

[buzzlightyear]

was it done by one day rewires from Bonnie Scotland was she involved has well.
waiting for little plum spark from the beanoscotland to laugh or not .lol.

 

[GBDamo]

£3K labour (1 electrician + 1 mate for 3 long days) + £1K materials

I think the spark in the Video is Midlands based so not daft London money.

Even factoring in van, mate pay and business costs a grand/day labour is a little steep.

But, if you can get it you'd be fool to turn it down.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I think the spark in the Video is Midlands based so not daft London money.

stand and deliver monie or your life .

 

[Dustydazzler]

I watched that video and most of the rough stuff could have been done better for very little cost or effort. Looks like inexperience.

However £4k for a 3 bed semi is not unreasonably cheap and would pay well for a spark and lad for a whole week.

All white accessories, RCBO board, pendant per room wouldn't come to much more than £1k.

So, If I paid £4k, yes I'd expect a lot better.

I tend to agree, a couple extra hours clipping cables, maybe a little bit of galv tray and suddenly the job would look better. Ok yes nobody likes climbing through loft insulation but if you are doing re-wires then its part of the job. I have seen so many re-wires in recent years where new cables are just thrownin from one area of the loft to the other not a clip in sight. I started as a sparks and one of my first jobs was clipping all the cables that the main spark had put in. Do they not teach clipping anymore?

 

[Pretty Mouth]

I might be in for a bit of a kicking here, but...

If I'm running cables in a loft that is already insulated, any cables that I install under the insulation don't get clipped. I don't see the point. If they're running parallel with the ceiling joists, i lay them on the plasterboard ceiling. If they're running perpendicular to the ceiling joists, then i lay them right up against a timber that is also running that way, or over by the eaves. This keeps them out of harms way should someone want to board it out.

Obviously, some cables are going to be above the insulation so they do get clipped.

 

[stevethesparks]

If they're running parallel with the ceiling joists, i lay them on the plasterboard ceiling.

So no fire rated clips at reasonable intervals?

 

[Pretty Mouth]

So no fire rated clips at reasonable intervals?

On top of a plasterboard ceiling?

 

[Zerax]

So no fire rated clips at reasonable intervals?

I think once the ceiling plasterboard and timbers have gone... it's way beyond 'premature collapse' ?

 

[stevethesparks]

I think once the ceiling plasterboard and timbers have gone... it's way beyond 'premature collapse' ?

I get where you are both coming from and you are probably right, but there's always a chance a firefighter may be required to pull down such a ceiling to access a fire - maybe over the top, but the time and cost it takes to install a couple of clips is worthwhile IMO.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I might be in for a bit of a kicking here, but...

If I'm running cables in a loft that is already insulated, any cables that I install under the insulation don't get clipped. I don't see the point. If they're running parallel with the ceiling joists, i lay them on the plasterboard ceiling. If they're running perpendicular to the ceiling joists, then i lay them right up against a timber that is also running that way, or over by the eaves. This keeps them out of harms way should someone want to board it out.

Obviously, some cables are going to be above the insulation so they do get clipped.

Not every yard of cable needs clipping in the loft, only clip the cables so neatly out the way so they don't get trod on on yanked on. Its perfectly fine to lay some cables on top of the insulation if it has no chance of being damaged.

 

[cliffed]

The planning of the install just didn’t happen,rough it in we‘ ll tidy that bit up later never happens... appalling routing of cabling.

 

[Midwest]

It only took 3 days, because it was chucked in. A lived in rewire should take more than three days, unless the firm used an army of staff, and did a DIY SOS style!

 

[Leesparkykent]

I haven’t watched the video so can’t comment on the installation but IMO 4K for a standard 3 bed Rewire is about the going rate. £1000 on material, 2 sparks and a lad for 4 days £1000 Labour, £320 overheads £1680 in the sky rocket....even if it takes 5 days your still on to a decent earner.

 

[Dustydazzler]

If this re-wire took more than 3 days I will eat my hat...it looks rushed , thrown in and get out quick .

£4K is too cheap for a decent re-wire imo , they underquoted and rushed this one imo

I would allow 5 days on my own and £5K to do it properly

 

[LastManOnline]

I might be in for a bit of a kicking here, but...

If I'm running cables in a loft that is already insulated, any cables that I install under the insulation don't get clipped. I don't see the point. If they're running parallel with the ceiling joists, i lay them on the plasterboard ceiling. If they're running perpendicular to the ceiling joists, then i lay them right up against a timber that is also running that way, or over by the eaves. This keeps them out of harms way should someone want to board it out.

Obviously, some cables are going to be above the insulation so they do get clipped.

That's exactly how I would do it. Despite the fact we don't (yet) have the requirement to clip cables, we will usually do it for neatness at corners not on straight runs. Looks a lot better. However in houses where they may be in a position to do an attic conversion we will drill joists.
Regarding a 3 day rewire.... first time I have heard of the concept. Shortest I have experienced is a week (as in 7 days) and that was a rare exception.
Price wise 4000 euro was not unusual for a terraced house.In fact in some cases it was a, good price. However now that detectors, LSF cable, surge protection and a, number of other additions required with new regs, I doubt we will see a 4 grand price tag on a rewire again.
My most recent rewire was 6000

 

[Leesparkykent]

If this re-wire took more than 3 days I will eat my hat...it looks rushed , thrown in and get out quick .

£4K is too cheap for a decent re-wire imo , they underquoted and rushed this one imo

I would allow 5 days on my own and £5K to do it properly

What part of the country are you? I’m in the southeast and couldn’t see how I could charge myself out at £800 a day.

 

[Dustydazzler]

What part of the country are you? I’m in the southeast and couldn’t see how I could charge myself out at £800 a day.

Surrey

 

[nicebutdim]

Surely having a basic sense of pride in one's work would dictate that cables aren't lashed across lofts? When I rewired upstairs lighting in my parent's house, it never occured to me that anything other than clipping neatly and close to the eaves might be acceptable. Wish I'd thought of cable tray as that would have been so much nicer than 200 odd years of dust and dirt...

 

[cliffed]

Surely having a basic sense of pride in one's work would dictate that cables aren't lashed across lofts? When I rewired upstairs lighting in my parent's house, it never occured to me that anything other than clipping neatly and close to the eaves might be acceptable. Wish I'd thought of cable tray as that would have been so much nicer than 200 odd years of dust and dirt...

Thinking cable tray in a domestic situ, bit over the top for me.
Cables laid on top of joists parallel looks ok.

 

[stevethesparks]

For the amount of cable shown in the video, tray would have been ideal, admittedly not normally required for residential. Have used it in the past with a large house with many cable runs leading back to the CU.
Edit: having said that, it didn't stop wet pants laying his unclipped plastic pipes across my neatly laid tray and cabling.

 

[123]

I haven’t watched the video so can’t comment on the installation but IMO 4K for a standard 3 bed Rewire is about the going rate. £1000 on material, 2 sparks and a lad for 4 days £1000 Labour, £320 overheads £1680 in the sky rocket....even if it takes 5 days your still on to a decent earner.

You pay 2 sparks and a lad £250 a day in total, or am I reading that wrong?

 

[Soi disant]

You pay 2 sparks and a lad £250 a day in total, or am I reading that wrong?

Ones who do work like that, yes.

 

[Risteard]

That's exactly how I would do it. Despite the fact we don't (yet) have the requirement to clip cables, we will usually do it for neatness at corners not on straight runs. Looks a lot better. However in houses where they may be in a position to do an attic conversion we will drill joists.
Regarding a 3 day rewire.... first time I have heard of the concept. Shortest I have experienced is a week (as in 7 days) and that was a rare exception.
Price wise 4000 euro was not unusual for a terraced house.In fact in some cases it was a, good price. However now that detectors, LSF cable, surge protection and a, number of other additions required with new regs, I doubt we will see a 4 grand price tag on a rewire again.
My most recent rewire was 6000

Did a cottage recently for €6,200. Some people have completely unrealistic expectations about price unfortunately.

 

[leep82]

Basket or all round banding screwed to the trusses??

 

[Dustydazzler]

Or in the old days some short of cuts of cables nailed to the rafters as make shift loops to bunch all the cables together neatly up out the way

 

[leep82]

Or in the old days some short of cuts of cables nailed to the rafters as make shift loops to bunch all the cables together neatly up out the way

I carry all round banding with me all the time now. Nobody can argue the ---- about premature collapse with that stuff

 

[Soi disant]

Or in the old days some short of cuts of cables nailed to the rafters as make shift loops to bunch all the cables together neatly up out the way

A practice which made me think that perhaps the installer here not removing all the old cables might not deserve total condemnation, as cables clipped like that can't just be pulled out.

 

[mattg4321]

You pay 2 sparks and a lad £250 a day in total, or am I reading that wrong?

I thought that too. Surely not.

 

[i=p/u]

Two rookies and smokey

 

[leep82]

Can somebody tell me the problem he seems to have with plastic blanks being fitted to the front of the consumer unit?

 

[Soi disant]

He dislikes them. It did look as though he tried (and failed) to justify his dislike by pushing on them to make them fall off.

 

[i=p/u]

Blanks made of steel for steel board

 

[loz2754]

Blanks made of steel for steel board

Er. No.
Are the MCBs also made of steel?

 

[leep82]

He dislikes them. It did look as though he tried (and failed) to justify his dislike by pushing on them to make them fall off.

I was wondering if he was going down the route of questioning their suitability

Blanks made of steel for steel board

why?

 

[Soi disant]

Er. No.
Are the MCBs also made of steel?

I tell you what definitely aren't....


.... the MCB shaped blanks that go on the busbar.