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Hi Lads,

Glad to have found this site could definately do with the experienced sparkys in here...

Just let you know currently coming to the end of the c&g 2365 level 2 fast track running approx a year....

hoping to do the level 3 2365 @ optima. ect in west bromich, anyone had experience of the fast track level 3 there?
Its 2 weeks on then two weeks off, total class room time of 6 weeks...

Any help would be appreciated...
 
2365 assignments were a bit of a brain strain at first, but get together with other learners if you can to discuss ideas, I'm not saying do it all the same but it'll probably help all of you with your design choices and ideas. How long is the whole level 3 course? I spent 2 years at college, 2-3 nights a week plus a shed load of home study/work for assignments. You won't learn a lot in 6 weeks apart from how to pass the exams and not a lot else


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Cheers marty,

Thanks for the advice...I am coming to the end of my level 2 2365 and I have enjoyed the maths and practical side of it, but with over 30 students I think the course was over subscribed. Workshop classes at the start were difficult because we did not always have enough teachers/technicians to help out hence the reason for me to want to do the fast track at Optima Electrical Compliance Testing. The classes are smaller, its slightly cheaper and the level 3 is more about theory then practical work, so it would ideally be down to me to put in more effort after classes. I have been told if you are on the Level 3 2365 you really should be at least working as a electricians mate in the industry because you can only go so far in the classroom.
 
If you can try find a local college, you may even be lucky enough to get part funding or a student loan (I did)


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If you can try find a local college, you may even be lucky enough to get part funding or a student loan (I did)


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Yeah Marty I can apply for the loan but for me its about the time it takes approx 15 months to do the level 3 of an evening class over two days, having done the level 2 fast track I cant see myself doing the 15 months.

My dilemma is more to do with the fact that its 6 weeks and the fact that will I actually learn anything and any employer seeing the that ive done this course in over 3 months in total actually take me on... I think I am capable as I pretty much sailed through the level 2 with all distinctions, not boasting or anything....
 
Yeah Marty I can apply for the loan but for me its about the time it takes approx 15 months to do the level 3 of an evening class over two days, having done the level 2 fast track I cant see myself doing the 15 months.

My dilemma is more to do with the fact that its 6 weeks and the fact that will I actually learn anything and any employer seeing the that ive done this course in over 3 months in total actually take me on... I think I am capable as I pretty much sailed through the level 2 with all distinctions, not boasting or anything....

Hi and welcome to the forum. There is massive difference between level 2 and level 3. I flew though level 2 with distinctions getting 100% or very close in the majority of exams, level 3 is a different ball game, how you would do it in six weeks is beyond me! Taken me the last week to do one assignment on level 305 and previous to that about four weeks of proper studying to do the 302. Knowing what I know now I am very suspicious of anyone who says they have done it in six weeks. Perhaps if the instructor stands at the front and says in a loud voice "You will need this for your exam hint, hint!" but when you get in the real world and have to stand on your own two feet you will know jack. I consider that I am fairly intelligent, I have already completed an apprenticeship and worked as a cable joiner for as DNO, have a degree etc etc. If you seriously want to learn and not just have a piece of paper to say you have passed then a longer course would be advisable. You will also need to complete a 2357 conversion and NVQ portfolio after the 2365 (L3). Good Luck.
 
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Just want to thank all you guys for your advice uts really been apperciated and it has also made me change my mind..... ive decided to go and do the level 3 at college rather then this fast track route ....rolyberkin your comment about piece of paper over learning convinced me so thanks again
 
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it is the way to go. cramming it all into 6 weeks will not allow you time to absorb it all and more importantly, over a longer therm, it will give you the time to a). research anything you need more knowledge about: and b). get some practical hands=on.
 
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Hi I trained there and did my level 3 2365 with them. There is a lot to learn but i didnt find it too demanding. I did the weekday option, so it was 2 weeks on and two weeks off over 10 or 12 weeks. Like I said, there is a lot to learn but being there full time worked for me. I only had one other guy studying on our course so we all just cracked on with it to be honest. Its a small college with 3 or 4 teachers. Nice bunch of guys, I found it great,, it suited me and I passed. I dont feel i missed out in anything at all. Like i said, it suited me with my job at the time. I Was thinking about doing the level 4 course they are running there but finding it difficult to work around the times. Good luck whichever you choose.
 
I got to disagree with some comments about doing an intensive course, I run the level 3 in 8 weeks 5 days a week and I have to say there are benefits to doing it this way. I have 6-7 years of experience of teaching the 1 day a week course to people who are not in the trade and the students I have experienced on the intensive course have a better understanding in the end and do far better on their exams and assignments. I have even had some students who did the level 2, 1 day a week with a college and then completed the level 3 over 8 weeks and their feedback was that they were able to get a better understanding from one lesson to the next, where as in the 1 day a week course what they learnt on day one, they would forget when it came to revising for the exams. There is also there is little need of revisiting the last lesson so they understand the next because the knowledge was still fresh.

I have also noticed there is a much higher chance of the intensive students actually going into employment, where as a "lot" of the adults that did the courses 1 day a week never went on to work in the industry. This is down to confidence and the practical training they have received. On the day release course some students that completed the level 3 forgot the basics with the practical work they did on the level 2 (1st year), because the level 3 is all Theory.

I also take no short cuts, the learning hours are not that far off what a college teaches but there are no 6 week summer breaks, no Xmas breaks, no half term breaks, no non-teaching days, no extra curriculum unrelated to Electrical Installations, which is why the study can be done in this duration. Saying that, the majority of students will complete their classroom training in 8 weeks but will carry on completing their level 3 assignments for weeks maybe months afterwards.

Even though my training centre is aimed at the Electrical Improver route not Apprenticeships, I will always recommend that a 4 year Apprenticeship is the best way to train, but not all 24+ year old students can afford to take that route, due to family and other life commitments. You can not beat the 4 days a week on site training combined with 1 day a week underpinning knowledge study.

Whilst I pride myself on the quality of training I provide to my Electrical Improvers, it is the Level 3 NVQ Portfolio that is the most important to their training and reaching their goal to becoming a qualified Electrician. The NVQ for most will take another 1-2 years of onsite experience to complete, so regardless of whether the students do the intensive or 1 day a week, to become a qualified Electrician to JIB standards is no over night thing or 5 day course.

I know people will disagree even though I have seen the end product of all routes, but this is what a forum is all about.

Good luck with your training Homeoffice and get stuck in with the trainee section here, it has a great little community of people with the same objectives an others going out of their way to help.

Neil

Edit... sorry for the long comment :) and read late at night if struggling to sleep.

Cheers Neil for the advice...some valid points made, however, I have heard from college lectures talking about some students who have done the fast track courses complaining about not having a good understanding of what they have actually learnt even though they passed the level 3. Some have come back to college and enrolled on the level 3 again to get a better understanding.... Im off to see optima next week and will get as much info to satisfy myself if I do decide on the short intensice course...

Neil where do you actually teach?

Thanks
 
Great forum post here. Thanks everyone for the advice and chat.
I am 35 and about to embark on my new career change towards becoming an electrician.

I was about to start a home study level 2 C&G in Electrical Installations with a company near Ipswich.
My thinking was that I could complete this in a not too long period of time and it would give me enough qualification to gain paid work as a mate/improver.
Then after 6 to 12 months of industry experience, I would start my Level 3 C&G....................and so on.......

I was then contacted by an electrical company who pay their trainees OK rates and you start work with them whilst doing the 1 day per week College Apprenticeship route. They don't like the 'Fast Track' / Home Study route apparently!
Very tempting, however the 1 day college release course will take 3-4 years as discussed earlier in this forum post.

I am really not in a position to be able to commit to living in one place and studying at one college for up to 4 years. Mainly as my other half and I have not quite decided where we will be living in the next 6 months!
BUT the 4 year route is considered the recommended route by most experienced sparky's and trainers.........

Hmmmmmmm. What advice would you suggest under these circumstances?

Is College route really that much better than a decent quality training course/centre?

Rich
 

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