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I will be looking at joining a domestic installer scheme early next year.

I know theres a number of bodies to join and other contractors i speak to and some other sparks say NIC is what i should go for as alot of landlords and letting agents aswell as local councils will now only accept NIC certs.
Alot of maintenece firms will also now only accept NIC.

Also when you speak to laymen they have only ever heard of NIC.

So although the likes of NAPIT and ELECSA could offer you good value for money are they really worth joining?? if you will only get knocked back and loose jobs??
 
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welsh spark

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I used to be with nic then i moved to elecsa the best thing i ever done a far easier and friendlier sheme to be with. Elecsa have grown over the last year and are getting bigger and more popilar a lot of the councils around here have changed to elecsa as well as the likes of british gas it speaks for it self elecsa is definetly the way forward in my opinion and its now part of the eca you wont go wrong with them
 
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Another vote for Elecsa!
 
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12345aob

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:) Elecsa are the way forward.
 
I used to be with nic then i moved to elecsa the best thing i ever done a far easier and friendlier sheme to be with. Elecsa have grown over the last year and are getting bigger and more popilar a lot of the councils around here have changed to elecsa as well as the likes of british gas it speaks for it self elecsa is definetly the way forward in my opinion and its now part of the eca you wont go wrong with them


British Gas carry out much of the poorest work that I see on a day to day basis. The fact that they have gone the ELECSA route is totally meaningless with regard to standards and credibility.
 
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welsh spark

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just my opinion ive never seen british gas'es electrical work so i cant comment elecsa is in no way easy to join and comply with than any other sheme out there.
 
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cctbreaker

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I'm with ELECSA and have no complaints. Mate of mine was with NIC and wasn't too happy so moved to NAPIT.
 
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wattsup

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Just pay the ransom to the cheapest! I know loads of cowboys whom could not tell the difference between 2.5 or 6.0, but, hey they are part of the 'scheme'..and thus good and trusted sparks! Just pay the protection money to the cheapest.
 
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Another ELECSA member here..........and no complaints either........

Mark
 
The saddest part is that good sparks are being let down by their schemes` refusal to boot out known cowboys from within their own membership.:mad:
 
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JulesHurley

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I was a member of ELECSA when it first started, and to be honest it was a complete waste of time, and money.

Since then ELECSA has been bought by ECA - Eectrical Contractors Association, and from what I have heard the ECA is starting to improve the image.

Saying that I will be getting my Part P with NIC, they just seemed the most helpful when applying
 
I was a member of ELECSA when it first started, and to be honest it was a complete waste of time, and money.

Since then ELECSA has been bought by ECA - Eectrical Contractors Association, and from what I have heard the ECA is starting to improve the image.

Saying that I will be getting my Part P with NIC, they just seemed the most helpful when applying
That`s all the schemes care about - image, not substance.:mad:
 
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Just take a moment to ask yourself what YOU are getting from joining one of these schemes......judging from a lot of posts on here, the benefits seem to be all one way.....I could be wrong, but how many of you chaps has got anything GOOD to say about any of them?

My own personal opinion is that they are expensive,restrictive, and once you've couged up your dosh; not as helpful as they perhaps could be....
Comments chaps?
randyrat
 
The problem is that Scheme operators are essentially "enforcers" for DC&LG - little (if any) thought has so far been given to the sparks! I get the distinct impression that the powers that be have a vested interest in sparks NOT having a "voice" within the industry. Until we do, we will continue to get s**t on by any tin-pot pen-pusher that feels they deserve an ego-boost.:mad:
 
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smoggy

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I was with NIC in my first year, hard to get hold off when you need too.
Now with Elecsa, the assessment was harder than NIC one, they are very helpful and been very good so far, havn't lost any jobs because i am a member of them and not NIC.
 
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parki sam

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im with elecsa and find them brilliant,they also told me its illegal for companies to specify who's certs they get, it breaches some competition law or somthing
 
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CUDABOY

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hi all, got my nic assesment a week tuesday.....will give you my input then..............:confused:
 
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WarrenG

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im with elecsa and find them brilliant,they also told me its illegal for companies to specify who's certs they get, it breaches some competition law or somthing
Agreed all certificates should be accept from ALL schemes.
 
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Spudnik

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Agreed all certificates should be accept from ALL schemes.
I think companies are well within their rights to request a certain scheme however, if it wasnt requested then i think they have to accept which ever schemes certs you belong to.

Not 100% sure about that tho.
 
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I will be looking at joining a domestic installer scheme early next year.

Also when you speak to laymen they have only ever heard of NIC.

So although the likes of NAPIT and ELECSA could offer you good value for money are they really worth joining?? if you will only get knocked back and loose jobs??
I joined NAPIT 2 years ago but am a bit disappointed by them. They made out they were going to shake up the electrical trade and look after the professional electrician. I haven't seen any of it.
The worst bit is, when asked if I'm NICEIC and I say 'No I'm with NAPIT', 99% of people and other sparks say 'Who??'
 
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TPES

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I dont hear much about Napit, I think i know 1 other spark on there books and he's talking about leaving..

I think im going to try elecsa when it comes to it.
 
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CUDABOY

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thats why i went nic, was in wholesaler today, i gott fill in the 2 certs for these 2 jobs im being assesed on, .....they had sector<senate own brand> electrical installation certificates and part p certificates,,,,eh? help gather 1 major, 1 minor, got software to print nic ones but thought id be impartial on my initial ones, guys in shop behind counter not sure what what!
 
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WarrenG

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It all depends of what you want out of the scheme memberships, NICEIC have been around for 50 years but doesn't make them the best because of it. Oh and by the way, they let you know it as well through their fee's!

After all its the members that make up the scheme. You should chose a scheme thats going to be right for your business (as top priority) and in the process make a commercial decision on what level are you prepared to pay for going to work, because if you want to self certify under Part P then one of the schemes is going to get your hard earn cash either way.

If you are going to work in a domestic enviroment, most customers probably won't know about any of the schemes let alone Part P of the building regulations.

As far as the customer is concerned all the schemes are government approved and therefore shouldn't make any difference which heading there is on the certificates they recieve. And just because it has XYZ on the top of the paperwork doesn't change the qualifications you have acheived as a qualified spark.

All schemes will have their good and bad sparks.
 
Very true - NAPIT`s bad point is that it has me in it!:D
 
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