met cowboy spark today.

[pritch]

Went to a job today to fit new sw spur for cooker hood extract and supply eic cert for the ring I worked on. While I was there a guy was stood in the kitchen marking out the walls for sockets . The lady told me he was a local odd job man who is also tiling the wall . She said our company were to expensive to do the lot so he will do the rest . They only wanted me to do the extract and provide a cert which then allows our Fitters to plug in the appliances.I asked the guy if he had part p and he said he never heard of it. I then told the customer who couldn't care less. While the cowboy was just about to spur off the socket 3 times I told him to leave all the work until I've finished testing. What more can you do ?

 

[malcolmsanford]

It's not Al from the Wirral is it??

 

[tonys]

your totally missing the point. You said in certain words that the guy must be laughing at me for having part p and him not . If you can't deal with the replies don't fuel the fire.

I never miss the point when one feels superior to others in terms of material items and financial importance. But there are those who are Cash Rich but tend to keep it to themselves and drive about in average vans lol

 

[rocker]

While there are people who are not registered and do shoddy work there are people who are registered and do shoddy work there are also people who do the work to the required standard without registration.

Just because money has changed hands for registration to a scheme provider is no indication of the quality of the work carried out let's face it when the assessment is due they actually check a very minute percentage of the work that has been done in last year

I cannot understand why there is an assumption that the work is going to be shoddy if the person doing the work is not registered with a scheme

That's not the point I was trying to make mate. I know full well that you can be a damn good sparks without being registered, and vice versa, I don't dispute that.

The point I was trying to make was that the law says you have to be registered (or go through LABC) for certain types of work, and that is the case regardless of how good you are. You can't say 'well I'm fully qualified and got my JIB and I've been doing this for 20 years etc etc so I'm not going to bother registering with Part P because I deem it to be a silly law' and then moan when you get told off..... I reckon I'm a good driver, but I don't say 'well I'm not going to get insurance because why should I? I'm an experienced driver I've been driving for years, I've passed my test and my pass plus, I'm not going to crash, so why should I have insurance? Insurance in this country is just a money making scheme I don't agree that I should have to pay for it.'

I don't think you'd have to look far to find people with the same kind of attitude as this with insurance, but we still all get car insurance because it's the law - we have to abide by it whether we agree with it or not.

Oh and tonys, while I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that wealth shouldn't be flaunted and used to show off with, I'm afraid I'm going to have to, once again, point out your double standards.... were you not they person on here not 3 weeks ago telling me that you make enough to take the school summer holidays off each years and can do this, that and the other, while I will amount to nothing if I keep paying my elecsa fees? Or words to that effect, anyway. I'm not sure you agree with your own sentiment, which makes me wonder why you'd say it....

 

[tonys]

Rocker

Taking 30 days unpaid holiday a year is not flaunting wealth and showing off, far from it.

People on the cards get a minimum of 20 paid days I believe and the bureaucrats behind the part p scheme earn a lot more money than us people on the tools and accumulative nice big pension pots at the end of their service and lets not forget along the way earn good salaries and take plenty of paid holidays.

 

[ecclescake]

Cowboy sparks have been around long before part p and the 6 week wonders have. They won't go away just something you'll have to get used to.

 

[SimpleSimon]

You have to admit though pritch that you stoke your own fire. If I remember correctly at the end of last year you came on here and in another thread posted that your on about 60k ( or there abouts ) a year, and that you were only working 10 months a year. Now your telling us all about your warrior, you seem to wear your alleged earning potential and wealth as some kind of badge of honour mate, but then make remarks about completeing EIC paperwork when it is clearly just a MEIWC ................... Perhaps a little humilty may stop people having a dig

Your memory never ceases to amaze me Malcolm.

 

[nickblake]

don't like topics, they've got nuts in 'em

Remember the ad eh " What has a hazel nut in every bite " .......................................................Squirrel S****

 

[gazzaman241]

how do people manage without certs,reason i ask is,

i have done the 2391 / 2392 /17th edit and p.a.t. courses and passed although i wouldn`t class myself as an electrican as i havn`t done an elect apprenticeship,

my sons m8 bought the house next door and has had builders in there for the last 6 months completely renovating the house,i got to know them quite well over this time and when they ran the first fix i took particular attention to what they were doing.
when they were connecting up to the consumer unit on the second fix i asked them if any of them had done part p or any other courses, the reply was it was not worth them as they paid an electrican to come in and test, inspect and cert.

i tried to watch and not to look to nosey and observed that they had a electrician instauling the flat screen tv in the bathroom and with the fire alarms but all the rest of the circuits were done by the builder,even when he had a fault on a circuit in the kitchen and asked if he could borrow my tester to check it out save him going to get his.

how can you qualified boys compete when home owners are happy for these things to go on.

ps. i am a qualified mech with 30 yrs experiance, worked as part of a team with a good electrician for 17 yrs, wanted electricial experiance for my own benifit and the government paid for my courses but there are still a lot of things i wouldn`t even consider attempting

gazzaman241

 

[domestic spark]

There was a post not so long back where it was alleged a member of napit had lashed a couple of kitchens when working for a major diy chain.

So it just goes to show part p makes no little odds in the scheme of things. So why people are still fixated as to whether or not someone carrying out electrical work in domestic premises is part p registered is still a bit of a mystery.

Authorities ain't interested one bit what goes on, and more than likely sit about laughing at those people it bugs.

ive seen electrics done on b&q kitchens, and its not pretty!! oh no.

 

[tonys]

ive seen electrics done on b&q kitchens, and its not pretty!! oh no.

Was it your post I was referring too ? and an alleged member of napit ?

 

[domestic spark]

no it wasnt, but ive seen shoddy work go on on b&q jobs, and the customer has no idea!

 

[tonys]

Right, another spark came on a couple of weeks back said something along similar lines, he got his hands on the test certs as well and had to put the work right.

Loads of it going on by the sounds of it, but people trust the diy chain brand I would imagine.

 

[domestic spark]

hit the nail on the head tony!! its disgusting! but it goes on, as weve both proven

 

[LukeD]

What about British gas guys and their electrics? !! i had to help a few out in the Past.

Now what about the rumor that many certs are fake and even building control depts are been conned ? something about them and NICEIC etc not communicating . And the certs they and customers receive are not coming from NICEIC .

 

[rocker]

To be honest if someone's silly enough to allow B&Q, a bloody DIY chain, to allow their people into their homes to 'do it themselves', then that's their lookout.

 

[tonys]

hit the nail on the head tony!! its disgusting! but it goes on, as weve both proven

Things is mate, people love new fancy kitchens and and don't give a second thought to the wiring side things. I had a call out the other week and the kitchen was dirty in the sense rings were being made off spurs if you get what I mean.

Luke

British Gas charge £180.00 + for a fused spur ? wouldn't mind that money for myself lol

As for the nic certs, these things will never be resolved in the public domain if there coming from non members ?

 

[keefy]

British Gas? Had to go to a mates house when British gas condemned the electrical installation and isolated his boiler in 4 degrees weather. Why? The earth was 'Too high'. It was a TT system!

 

[cbw]

I drive a below average orange connect van...........................Yeehaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not telling what the big red phallus is in my garage!!!!!!! (Rather spend my spare cash on that than a warrior)

 

[robsparky1975]

i got a 1911 model T ford lol

 

[DurhamSparky]

how ironic CBW has posted on this thread with out saying "oh you met DS then" lol..... were you been james!!

 

[cbw]

Working far too hard!!!!!!!!

This 2 jobs lark is way over the top, do pop on from time to time to check up on you all!

I like some of the new members posts and engineer is my current favorite!

 

[UNG]

That's not the point I was trying to make mate. I know full well that you can be a damn good sparks without being registered, and vice versa, I don't dispute that.

The point I was trying to make was that the law says you have to be registered (or go through LABC) for certain types of work, and that is the case regardless of how good you are. You can't say 'well I'm fully qualified and got my JIB and I've been doing this for 20 years etc etc so I'm not going to bother registering with Part P because I deem it to be a silly law' and then moan when you get told off..... I reckon I'm a good driver, but I don't say 'well I'm not going to get insurance because why should I? I'm an experienced driver I've been driving for years, I've passed my test and my pass plus, I'm not going to crash, so why should I have insurance? Insurance in this country is just a money making scheme I don't agree that I should have to pay for it.'

I don't think you'd have to look far to find people with the same kind of attitude as this with insurance, but we still all get car insurance because it's the law - we have to abide by it whether we agree with it or not.

Unfortunately I don't see Part P as an insurance only an inconvenience and money making scam for those scheme providers, it was ill thought out out at conception and has not had the resources to properly operate it and police it.

You only have to look at the posts on this forum "do I notify this work for Part P" or "is it outside the scope of Part P" makes it really black and white what the law actually is

I wonder if that is why those north of the border didn't adopt it

 

[rocker]

I'm not saying it's an insurance, I'm saying part p is the law, the same as car insurance is the law, the same as gun licence is the law, the same as not nicking stuff is the law, the same as not flinging turd at old grannies is the law (probably).

It always comes back to 'oh but it's stupid it doesn'y work it's confusing' I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with this, I am merely saying

IT IS THE LAW TO NOTIFY 'PART P' WORKS.

THE LAW DOESN'T CARE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

You don't get to pick and choose which laws you abide by, regardless of how qualified you are.


Now then, if anyone out there would like to to literally shoot myself in the head, say 'oh but Rocker, Part P is rubbish it doesn't work it's a stupid idea'

 

[rocker]

Working far too hard!!!!!!!!

This 2 jobs lark is way over the top, do pop on from time to time to check up on you all!

I like some of the new members posts and engineer is my current favorite!

You have got to be yanking my chain.

 

[cbw]

Miss Whiplash!


Tried to send you a PM.................

• rocker has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

 

[rocker]

Ooh 'ang on I'll get it sorted.

You were in on that as well, were you? lol

 

[rocker]

There we go, all clear

 

[UNG]

I'm not saying it's an insurance, I'm saying part p is the law,

A lot of people seem to perceive and promote that using a Part P registered contractor is an insurance that the work is going to be right as Part P has the weight of law behind it

the same as car insurance is the law,

Where failure to comply can be reported to and enforced by the police and courts, and how many people still drive without insurance

the same as gun licence is the law,

Where failure to comply can be reported to and enforced by the police and courts and again hand guns were banned and now we have many that are held illegally along with sawn off shotguns etc

the same as not nicking stuff is the law,

Where the crime can be reported to and enforced by the police and courts

the same as not flinging turd at old grannies is the law (probably).

I think this is classed as assault and would be a police matter

It always comes back to 'oh but it's stupid it doesn'y work it's confusing' I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with this, I am merely saying

IT IS THE LAW TO NOTIFY 'PART P' WORKS.

But there is no clear mechanism for reporting non compliance's, it's not something you can report at the local cop shop if it's open. It's bad enough trying to deposit evidence of a crime with them.

THE LAW DOESN'T CARE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

You don't get to pick and choose which laws you abide by, regardless of how qualified you are.

Only if you can afford the top lawyers and experts do you get to twist the law

Now then, if anyone out there would like to to literally shoot myself in the head, say 'oh but Rocker, Part P is rubbish it doesn't work it's a stupid idea'

I think I've said Part P doesn't work on numerous occasions, one of the reasons for it's introduction

MP's daughter electrocuted in botched fitted kitchen - Telegraph

While the installation may not have been correct the metal rack was a DIY job by her husband, so why isn't fitting kitchen accessories regulated by the building regs?

There are plenty of forums with posts on this subject and shouting that it is LAW will not change the fact that the only ones being penalised are the law abiding who are being milked with fees be it to schemes or LABC and providing a traceable work record for HMRC

If you look at the statistics for domestic deaths from electrocution then Part P is not the answer to cure a very small problem as most of the deaths occur from faulty appliances not faulty installations so may be PAT testing in domestic properties needs to be law

 

[rryles]

one of the reasons for it's introduction
MP's daughter electrocuted in botched fitted kitchen - Telegraph

That had nothing to do with the introduction of Part P. It happened after Part P was a fait accompli.

 

[mogga]

Unfortunately I don't see Part P as an insurance only an inconvenience and money making scam for those scheme providers, it was ill thought out out at conception and has not had the resources to properly operate it and police it.

You only have to look at the posts on this forum "do I notify this work for Part P" or "is it outside the scope of Part P" makes it really black and white what the law actually is

I wonder if that is why those north of the border didn't adopt it

Im surprised we didnt get to test it out first like the PoleTax Smoking ban ect ect lol

 

[telectrix]

and the referendum on eurine ( sorry ( europe)

 

[nikmet]

Part P cannot be taken as a serious attempt to improve electrical safety in domestic premises while the likes of B& Q can continue selling electrical fittings, to the unqualified, consumer units included!! surely this should be restricted to qualified card holders only???