Working away 5 days a week

[Thomas123]

What rates should I expect to work away in UK 5 days a week? Flat rate + (ex amount per hour). should I expect to work 12 hours a day? If only allowed to work 8 what hourly rate is fair? £20 a day for food and Also accommodation paid for.

Ps I'm on the books, JIB Approved.

Cheers

 

[Engineer54]

Don't the JIB have laid down rates for working away etc?? If this is not for a JIB company, you can still use the JIB rates as a guide as to what you should be looking for.

Best bet is to check out the JIB website for the rates/allowances etc.....

 

[Octopus]

I would ask for the hours and additional allowances to be confirmed in writing before I made up my mind.

The hours of work will be defined and I'm hoping your employer has set rates for accomodation and meals.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Get them to put you up in a premier inn, and get the meal deal put on the cost of the room. Works out easier IMO as you roughly know what standard of room you are getting/parking and the meal deal includes a two course meal with a drink and breakfast in the morning. This is what I give the lads when staying away plus an extra £20 a day on normal day rate.

 

[Guest77]

It is all laid out in the JIB handbook, try google, a great tool, anything else? amendment 3 tips or a guide to the plain obvious.:biggrin:

 

[ian.settle1]

Whilst the op says he's on the books and JIB approved he doesn't say if the firm is JIB.

 

[Guest77]

Most firms go by the JIB handbook when calculating working away, the companies around here certainely do, the only time they do not is if you are sub contracting or in a position where you can call the shots because they need you.

 

[Silly Sausage]

The trouble with working away from home all week, is the fact that one's bar bill goes through the roof!
Unless you're one of those extremely well disciplined characters who can just sit in their hotel room all night. Not me!!!
So you need to consider how much extra cash you're going to get through than you would at home.

 

[johnsparks23]

The perks of working away are getting ratted every night and sleeping with the barmaid. The downside is it's bloody expensive and the five day hangover often lasts in to the wk end.

 

[Plonker 3]

Get them to put you up in a premier inn, and get the meal deal put on the cost of the room. Works out easier IMO as you roughly know what standard of room you are getting/parking and the meal deal includes a two course meal with a drink and breakfast in the morning. This is what I give the lads when staying away plus an extra £20 a day on normal day rate.

You got any jobs going?

Never worked for anyone who has been that generous with their subsistance allowance.

 

[Leesparkykent]

You got any jobs going?

Never worked for anyone who has been that generous with their subsistance allowance.

We try and not work away if it can be helped but IMO it's got to be worthwhile for them when we do as every one just ends up with the hump if they earn the same money being away from home as working local.

 

[Guest125]

We do the same. £20 per person extra and hotel paid for.

 

[Thomas123]

It is all laid out in the JIB handbook, try google, a great tool, anything else? amendment 3 tips or a guide to the plain obvious.:biggrin:

The only thing i can find on jib website is lodging allowance, i can't find nothing stating the actual rate, any chance you can point me in the right direction? my company is not JIB.

cheers

 

[Leesparkykent]

JIB Handbook 2014 | Joint Industry Board
JIB Handbook 2014 | Joint Industry Board
All grades, wages and allowances can be found within the various chapters of the JIB ... 2014 JOINT INDUSTRY BOARD for the Electrical Contracting Industry.

 

[Thomas123]

JIB Handbook 2014 | Joint Industry Board
JIB Handbook 2014 | Joint Industry Board
All grades, wages and allowances can be found within the various chapters of the JIB ... 2014 JOINT INDUSTRY BOARD for the Electrical Contracting Industry.

Ive looked at that but i can't find anything to say what I'm entitled to, only lodging allowance.

 

[Leesparkykent]

What else do you want to know? You are lodging though aren't you?

 

[Guest125]

11.3 Lodging Allowance
11.3.1 Operatives sent from the Employer’s Shop who are required to start and finish at the normal
starting and finishing time on jobs where their employer requires them to stay away from
their normal place of residence and provide proof of lodging will be paid Lodging Allowance
as determined from time to time by the JIB National Board.
Operatives who are required to lodge, or move from one lodging job to another,
shall normally be provided with five days’ notice of the requirement. Operatives shall
co-operate with their employers, on short term jobbing contracts, where they may be
required to lodge at short notice due to unforeseen circumstances.
The payments applicable are:
LODGING ALLOWANCE & RETENTION PAYMENTS
From and including Monday 7th January 2013
Lodging Allowance £35.55 per night
Retention Payments to a maximum of £11.81 per night
(£82.67 per week)
Weekend retention fees £35.55 per night
From and including Monday 6th January 2014
Lodging Allowance £36.41 per night
Retention Payments to a maximum of £11.98 per night
(£83.86 per week)
Weekend retention fees £36.41 per night
Future increases to be based upon the industry formula of the movement in the catering
element of the Retail Price Index.
The employer may, at his absolute discretion, choose to meet a reasonable bill presented by
the operative rather than paying an untaxed lodging allowance.
Recognising the increasing cost of lodging, the employer shall not unreasonably refuse to
reimburse bills as an alternative to the untaxed lodging allowance.

 

[Guest125]

I feel like a tight arse now Lee.

 

[Guest125]

Ive looked at that but i can't find anything to say what I'm entitled to, only lodging allowance.

Exactly. Lodging allowance is what you are entitled to. It is supposed to cover your extra costs incurred by working away.

 

[Sintra]

Ive looked at that but i can't find anything to say what I'm entitled to, only lodging allowance.

The JIB lodging allowance includes finding your own place to stay plus feeding yourself.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I feel like a tight arse now Lee.

I would never register my company with the JIB lol

 

[Guest125]

The JIB lodging allowance includes finding your own place to stay plus feeding yourself.

Not paying for the accommodation though surely???

 

[Guest125]

I would never register my company with the JIB lol

I will eventually. But their pay grades are bad for the employees so we willl pay more than what they recommend.

If gives a common ground between management and employees.

 

[Thomas123]

i thought the lodging allowance of 36.41 was to cover the hotel... so this the incentive to work away not the hotel and food allowance? thats seperate?

 

[Sintra]

Not paying for the accommodation though surely???

Yes paying for accommodation also.

 

[Leesparkykent]

i thought the lodging allowance of 36.41 was to cover the hotel... so this the incentive to work away not the hotel and food allowance? thats seperate?

I ain't got a clue then mate, prob best to give the jib a bell tomorrow.

 

[Sintra]

i thought the lodging allowance of 36.41 was to cover the hotel... so this the incentive to work away not the hotel and food allowance? thats seperate?

All included in the £36.41.

 

[Guest125]

All included in the £36.41.

Well that is shocking.

 

[Thomas123]

All included in the £36.41.

so technically I'm not entitled to extra pay for working away, just an allowance to cover my costs. thats rubbish.

Im better off asking what you guys would demand? rather than what the JIB state.

 

[Guest125]

so technically I'm not entitled to extra pay for working away, just an allowance to cover my costs. thats rubbish.

Im better off asking what you guys would demand? rather than what the JIB state.

We pay an extra £20 for food plus a hotel. That is it..

Be thankful for the work..

 

[Guest125]

And some peace and quite from the missus...

 

[Sintra]

so technically I'm not entitled to extra pay for working away, just an allowance to cover my costs. thats rubbish.

Im better off asking what you guys would demand? rather than what the JIB state.

Correct your not entitled to any additional pay. What makes this away job any different from any other apart from the location obviously. Why do you think it entitles you to more money?

Additional money plus quality hotels and allowances are only normally given to those that can demand. You will normally find these people are working on specialist sectors of the industry and it's worth it to their employers to keep them sweet.

 

[Plonker 3]

Be thankful for the work..

I don't think thats the correct attitude for a employer to have.

I know if I worked for someone who had that attitude I would be leaving as soon as I found out.

 

[7029 dave]

When I working away, it was £35 a night lodge.

 

[Guest125]

I don't think thats the correct attitude for a employer to have.

I know if I worked for someone who had that attitude I would be leaving as soon as I found out.

I treat my guys very well and they give it back to me with their hard work. My point was it is not easy out there and I am always grateful for any job. I would probably sack you first anyway. ;-)

 

[test electrical]

Work 4 12 hour days or 3x12 1x10 to get your travel time on the friday. this keeps you out of the pub apart from the thursday nite. Then a lie in the next morning and then the 3 day weekend, happy gilmore, win win.

 

[CockneyReject]

When I was working away on the books it was 12's, 30 quid a day for meals, travel paid for, digs paid for 7 days even of we were only working week days, anything less and none of the lads would go

 

[Guest125]

When I was working away on the books it was 12's, 30 quid a day for meals, travel paid for, digs paid for 7 days even of we were only working week days, anything less and none of the lads would go

Is that before you were a reject?

 

[thesnowman]

im only agency scum, meaning if i work away i pay my own digs, my own meals, my own transport, it all comes out my own pocket!!!

it cost me money to work (away)

and theres always a risk that i wont get a full weeks work out of it, meaning if i paid a weeks dig because theres a discount for longer stays and i get f**ked off the job the first day which has happed, im screwed and outta pocket!!!

so anyone who is making the same amount as if you were working home should count yourself lucky its not as if its costing you £££

 

[Plonker 3]

Well either you should be getting a allowance included in your wage or you should negotiate a subsistance allowance before you start.

As for being told only one days work is unfortunate but also part of being subby scum.

 

[thesnowman]

Well either you should be getting a allowance included in your wage or you should negotiate a subsistance allowance before you start.

As for being told only one days work is unfortunate but also part of being subby scum.

theres no negotiating with agency scum, its either take it or leave it , same with this bogus paye business that they throw at you

i no longer work away unless the pay is more than enough to cover the cost

 

[Leesparkykent]

theres no negotiating with agency scum, its either take it or leave it , same with this bogus paye business that they throw at you

i no longer work away unless the pay is more than enough to cover the cost

Too right, This is basic business IMO.

 

[dannybruff]

We pay an extra £20 for food plus a hotel. That is it..

Be thankful for the work..

What a ---- attitude..... Its arse kissers like you that bring jobs and morale down

 

[Rpa07]

Might be £50 by now - that was 2 1/2 years ago.

 

[Cadgey123]

We pay an extra £20 for food plus a hotel. That is it..

Be thankful for the work..

If I had a boss tell me that.... I would be packing my tools up.
Your employees are the most important asset to your business. Treat them well and they will do you wonders.

 

[davesparks]

If I had a boss tell me that.... I would be packing my tools up.
Your employees are the most important asset to your business. Treat them well and they will do you wonders.

If you are worth the money you want then you won't get told that.

If you aren't worth the money you want then you are probably being told that to encourage you to quit so that they don't have to pay you redundancy

 

[Cadgey123]

If you are worth the money you want then you won't get told that.

If you aren't worth the money you want then you are probably being told that to encourage you to quit so that they don't have to pay you redundancy

Not saying you should sing everyone's praises everyday, but I have had a few bosses over the years be like that and it brings out their true colours.

It's not a wage rise anyway it's a working away allowance.

 

[Dean1990]

Interesting first post to read. We are based in the North-West.

If we have lads working in London for example:

-We pay 4 hours travel time (single rate) both ways.
-We pay for the hotel.
-£20 a day for food etc. directly into their account.
-10/12 hour days depending on site hours (1.5 x per hr after 8 hrs worked)
-Option to work Friday but come home Thursday evening and have Friday/Saturday/Sunday off.

 

[dannybruff]

They should pay accommodation inclusive of breakfast AND evening meal, if not, theyre goin against jib working rules and you dont have to go. Unless they give you some sort of food allowance but theres nothing in jib that says how much. Miser bosses like guest125 pay about £20 a day which goes nowhere, unfortunately, my boss and guest125 both have black hearts and you end up comin home with no more. What im doing is cookin food for the week at home, (chilli, bolognase and curry) and freeze it in those Chinese takeaway plastic boxes, then i defrost mondays tea sunday night and put the rest in fridge at work to defrost. Thursday's tea can go in the freezer box in fridge till Tuesday night. Then i just buy microwave rice or pasta and nuke it before i leave and take it to the hotel.... Thus keeping your £20 a day that tight arses like guest125 deem acceptable.... I wonder how much it would cost someone to keep HIM away from friends and family for the week. Although judging by his comment and attitude i assume theyre happy to see the back of him for a week.

 

[bcm_spark]

Last time I was on the books away from home it was nearly £40 a night. I was paying 200 a month lodge on a nice caravan site so when you're getting 240 a week tax free you are making a tidy profit. All depends on your digs and what you want but you can make it work.