AM2 exam is Monday Morning Need Help with PFC testing on 3 phase and rcbo testing on lightingcircuit

[RyanF]

Hi everyone,

Not going to lie I am crapping my self for my AM2 exam on Monday Morning at 8:00. So I just need a few questions answered:- tell me if I am right or wrong.

I will be using a megger tester by the way.

PEFC testing 3 phase ( 3 probe test) :-

Clamp croc clip on the neutral bar.

L1-N -E
L2-N-E
L3- N -E

People say do to simply:-

L1-E
L2-E
L3-E

Keep a mental note of the highest figure.

PSCC on 3 phase ( 3 probe tesy but, put the neutral test lead/probe into the earth test probe so its now a 2 lead test)

Test between:-

L1-N
L2-N
L3-N

Mental note of highest figure.

Out of both test the highest figure is doubled as a rule of thumb as the fault current could occur between two phases. This fig is recorded on the test sheet as IPF.

For testing a RCBO on lighting circuit people say disconnect the load and carry out IR seperate, but also still test the RCBO tripping times but how would you do that? As in the exam you are not aloud to expose any live conductors during the live tests.

Also, when doing IR test you have to disconnect certain equipment. But, when doing the ring main there is outdoor socket with a neon fused spur in. How do you disconnect the neon out of the socket. Can you simply out the connections to this socket in a wago connector and put the socket back on, as there will be no conductors connected to the outdoor sockrt. But, I am still testing the conductors?

Any help would be great!

HELP!

 

[Toneyz]

The neon is between L & N only when the socket /spur is switched on, therefore, the socket/spur needs to be switched off. I think in the case of the unswitched fused spur with neon the fuse needs to be out as the live part of the neon is to the load side.
If you are carrying out an insulation resistance test between L & N you should disconnect from RCBO as manufactures instructions you are not exposing live conductors as this is a dead test.

 

[RyanF]

So I would remove the conductors from the RCBO which I understand. But what I am asking is how would you test tripping times of the RCBO as it will be on the lighting circuit. But you cant expose any live parts of the lighting circuit etc. Then you cant expose any live parts on the board either.

Is my PFC test procedure correct like I said above? Or is it wrong?

So would I disconnect the fuses and switch of the fused spur? When doing global IR. Also disconnect the conductors out of the RCBO and test them seperate etc.

 

[Toneyz]

You are mixing up different questions with different tests take a step back and put down your question separately if not you are confusing yourself.

 

[casperLennon]

I think you are panicking far to much. Once you get into it it’s not overly difficult. All the information is there for you

 

[RyanF]

I understand that. I just want guidance to what I am thinking of doing is correct and wont fail the sections as I dont want to resit the am2 test at all etc.

 

[casperLennon]

Have you been on -----------?

 

[Ian1981]

It’s only a 2 wire test for ze and pfc testing with a megger
The only time you need 3 wire is for a non trip zs test

 

[RyanF]

It’s only a 2 wire test for ze and pfc testing with a megger
The only time you need 3 wire is for a non trip zs test

Thats great thank you! Can I ask what setting is it set on on the Megger MFT1770 tester I think its called. As in what would you set it to on the test meter to measure PFC. As my exam is monday I dont want to fail on this.

 

[Baker1988]

When doing the ir test on the sockets just take the live out of the fuse spur and link it with wago in the back of the box to the live on the load side of the fuse spur as then you will test the full circuit as if you just turn it off or take the fuse out you will only be testing part of the curcuit as what is on the load side of the fused spur is still part of the circuit.

And you take the cables out of the rcbo then ir test the circuit on its own. As for testing the rcbo just test it at the rcbo its self as i know your not allowed to be exposed to live parts but testing at the rcbo only exposes you to the same type of terminals as it would when testing the Ze, pefc and so on you cant get a shock of them as the whole is not big enough that is perfectly fine as thats what i did.

And on the megger tester if I remember my AM2 you set it to the normal loop test and then there is a button on the tester you press which shows you the pfc reading.

 

[RyanF]

When doing the ir test on the sockets just take the live out of the fuse spur and link it with wago in the back of the box to the live on the load side of the fuse spur as then you will test the full circuit as if you just turn it off or take the fuse out you will only be testing part of the curcuit as what is on the load side of the fused spur is still part of the circuit.

And you take the cables out of the rcbo then ir test the circuit on its own. As for testing the rcbo just test it at the rcbo its self as i know your not allowed to be exposed to live parts but testing at the rcbo only exposes you to the same type of terminals as it would when testing the Ze, pefc and so on you cant get a shock of them as the whole is not big enough that is perfectly fine as thats what i did.

And on the megger tester if I remember my AM2 you set it to the normal loop test and then there is a button on the tester you press which shows you the pfc reading.

This sould like the perfect response which Ive been looking for thanks!

So let me get this right when doing the IR test on the sockets as it will be on a RCBO I am right in saying disconnect the load side from the fused spur and put the load side into the supply side of the spur. But put it back on the load side once the IR test is complete?


So by testing the RCBO how would do to that thought even though we cant remove the DB cover or any accessories as the installation will be “live”. They wont let you do it on your AM2 that way.

Also I have one more question when ensuring supply polarity did you use a voltsge indicator and test between L1- E L2- E L3 - E then L1- N L2-N L3-N expect a voltage reading but if testing N- E expect 0 volts?

 

[Ian1981]

Thats great thank you! Can I ask what setting is it set on on the Megger MFT1770 tester I think its called. As in what would you set it to on the test meter to measure PFC. As my exam is monday I dont want to fail on this.

Left hand green dial L-PE and right hand dial on Z for ZE testing

Same setting for pefc need to toggle settings on the menu option
For pscc set dial to L-N

Get yourself on YouTube and look up megger series 1700 demos.

 

[Baker1988]

This sould like the perfect response which Ive been looking for thanks!

So let me get this right when doing the IR test on the sockets as it will be on a RCBO I am right in saying disconnect the load side from the fused spur and put the load side into the supply side of the spur. But put it back on the load side once the IR test is complete?


So by testing the RCBO how would do to that thought even though we cant remove the DB cover or any accessories as the installation will be “live”. They wont let you do it on your AM2 that way.

Also I have one more question when ensuring supply polarity did you use a voltsge indicator and test between L1- E L2- E L3 - E then L1- N L2-N L3-N expect a voltage reading but if testing N- E expect 0 volts?

I would personally just take all the line/live out of the fused spur and connected them in the back with a wago thats how i did it but i suppose the way you describe would be fine aswell.

When the board is live you are allowed to take the cover off it that does not necessarily expose live parts. So you will be able to test the rcbo at the board. Are you sure the rcbo is on the lighing circuit as if I remember rightly i put the rcbo on the socket circuit and as you know you can just test the rcbo from the socket closest to the board.

And yes thats wouldnprove polarity.

 

[Simonslimline]

If the board is the Schneider acti9 isobar type i had on mine, make sure the slide-locks are on if you do a global IR test.

The weatherproof socket that is controlled by the FCU on the RFC has neons so watch out for that!

The RCBO protects the RFC and is one of the items on your list that needs to be considered when carrying out the testing There are 5 items in total to write on the Testing paperwork.

 

[RyanF]

If the board is the Schneider acti9 isobar type i had on mine, make sure the slide-locks are on if you do a global IR test.

The weatherproof socket that is controlled by the FCU on the RFC has neons so watch out for that!

The RCBO protects the RFC and is one of the items on your list that needs to be considered when carrying out the testing There are 5 items in total to write on the Testing paperwork.

Yeah Ive been informed on the refresher course that it is a acti isobar schnieder. So when doing global IR I would turn the sliders on. Turn the sliders off if I want to test certain circuits not on the global IR.

 

[RyanF]

I would personally just take all the line/live out of the fused spur and connected them in the back with a wago thats how i did it but i suppose the way you describe would be fine aswell.

When the board is live you are allowed to take the cover off it that does not necessarily expose live parts. So you will be able to test the rcbo at the board. Are you sure the rcbo is on the lighing circuit as if I remember rightly i put the rcbo on the socket circuit and as you know you can just test the rcbo from the socket closest to the board.

And yes thats wouldnprove polarity.

Thats great mate thanks alot!

So Im I right in thinking the ring main circuit would be connected as a ring obviously but simply run all the sockets in a ring as in run the supply in the fused spur. But take the load for the outside socket on the load side of the switched spur?

 

[Toneyz]

So let me get this right when doing the IR test on the sockets as it will be on a RCBO I am right in saying disconnect the load side from the fused spur and put the load side into the supply side of the spur. But put it back on the load side once the IR test is complete?

ONLY WHEN DOING L-N IR TEST AND YOU HAVE NEON. As the neon will give you a dead short.

I would personally just take all the line/live out of the fused spur and connected them in the back with a wago thats how i did it but i suppose the way you describe would be fine aswell.

AS ABOVE.

 

[Toneyz]

So by testing the RCBO how would do to that thought even though we cant remove the DB cover or any accessories as the installation will be “live”. They wont let you do it on your AM2 that way.

Do it at accessory

 

[Loki]

Hope it all goes well tomorrow

 

[ruston]

And from me too.

 

[RyanF]

Thanks everyone starts at 8 oclock tommorow Morning and find out my result on Wednesday Night at 8 pm! Gonna be scared to check my email for my results

 

[ruston]

Keep hydrated , no big meals before the exam, bit hard that time of morning though, but don't overload your stomach.
And if there is a written element RTBQ (read the bloody question) properly .

 

[RyanF]

Keep hydrated , no big meals before the exam, bit hard that time of morning though, but don't overload your stomach.
And if there is a written element RTBQ (read the bloody question) properly .

I always have a smsll breakfast before any big exam or test like poridge and bananas. Have you got any last minute quick tips for the exam?

 

[ruston]

Well you have just said it with the bananas, they are brain food.
Ross Braun on the F1 pit during the race always ate bananas when they had to think on their feet.

 

[Toneyz]

Do it at accessory

And when rcd/rcbo testing test the test button last.

 

[RyanF]

And when rcd/rcbo testing test the test button last.

Test it last as in after the Tripping Times etc. So carry it out during the functional testing?

 

[Toneyz]

Test it last as in after the Tripping Times etc. So carry it out during the functional testing?

No, do your tripping times then as part of rcd/rcbo testing sequence you test the operation of the test button last.

 

[Tes369]

Don't test it like this

 

[gazdkw82]

How did it go?

 

[RyanF]

How did it go?

To be honest not as bad as I thought. Ive got 3 hours left on my install to do the S plan and data points. All other cables/ circuits are terminated and connected. I still need to check the conductors and fixing etc against the spec.

Then on to inspection and testing / fault finding tomorow.

Would I loose marks if I use the wrong size crimps on the cpc for the swa banjo etc? Not really good with using crimps.

 

[Baker1988]

Aslog as it makes a good connection and is done correctly probily not. That been said a friend of mine failed his install part of the am2 due to using 1mm fly leads on the metal back boxes so who knows.

 

[gazdkw82]

To be honest not as bad as I thought. Ive got 3 hours left on my install to do the S plan and data points. All other cables/ circuits are terminated and connected. I still need to check the conductors and fixing etc against the spec.

Then on to inspection and testing / fault finding tomorow.

Would I loose marks if I use the wrong size crimps on the cpc for the swa banjo etc? Not really good with using crimps.

So are you able to stop the install midway through and carry on the next day?

Sounds like your doing good time

 

[RyanF]

So are you able to stop the install midway through and carry on the next day?

Sounds like your doing good time

Yeah you get a total of 8 hours I believe so I cant do that over one day. So I try and get most of it done in one day then the other day is the remaining time along with the other timed units etc.

 

[Simonslimline]

To be honest not as bad as I thought. Ive got 3 hours left on my install to do the S plan and data points. All other cables/ circuits are terminated and connected. I still need to check the conductors and fixing etc against the spec.

Then on to inspection and testing / fault finding tomorow.

Would I loose marks if I use the wrong size crimps on the cpc for the swa banjo etc? Not really good with using crimps.

You have loads of time left. The s plan is very simple with the diagram, just wiring by numbers.

Good luck

 

[RyanF]

You have loads of time left. The s plan is very simple with the diagram, just wiring by numbers.

Good luck

Simon i need your help, how do you measurePEFC AND PSCC using a Megger MFT 1730 just im doing my inspection and testing soon. Like within the next 2 hours. Do you have any hints or tips for the testing, inspection and fault finding?

 

[RyanF]

Its also on the Schinieder Isobar 3 phase board same one you mentoined to me.

 

[gazdkw82]

How did it go today?

 

[Simonslimline]

Simon i need your help, how do you measurePEFC AND PSCC using a Megger MFT 1730 just im doing my inspection and testing soon. Like within the next 2 hours. Do you have any hints or tips for the testing, inspection and fault finding?

Flat out at work again today trying to finish a substation ready for yesterday, only just seen this mate.

How did it go?