Non-notifiable competent DIYer jobs

[k_d_ch]

At the moment I have electrical wires running in trunking attached the walls, which I find somewhat unsightly, especially
in view of redecoration that I am carrying out at the moment. I would like conceal this wiring in trunking within the walls
(trunking plastered over), which may possibly require changing whole sections of wiring if the existing length is not sufficient.
Are these jobs notifiable? Do I have to invite a local buildings control officer to check an installation of this sort before connecting it to the mains?
This must be standard question, but I can find a clear answer to it anywhere right now. Will I find it in IEE Wiring Regulations?
I know I have to familiarise myself with this book before I do any work anyway...
Many thanks for any advice!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

At the moment I have electrical wires running in trunking attached the walls, which I find somewhat unsightly, especially
in view of redecoration that I am carrying out at the moment. I would like conceal this wiring in trunking within the walls
(trunking plastered over), which may possibly require changing whole sections of wiring if the existing length is not sufficient.
Are these jobs notifiable? Do I have to invite a local buildings control officer to check an installation of this sort before connecting it to the mains?
This must be standard question, but I can find a clear answer to it anywhere right now. Will I find it in IEE Wiring Regulations?
I know I have to familiarise myself with this book before I do any work anyway...
Many thanks for any advice!

you`d be better off inviting a local electrician round to come and look at it....
he will be able to assess what needs doing and ensure conformance...
there will be members in here near you...

 

[Guitarist]

As Glenn says, get some professional advice. You cannot simply bury cables anywhere in a wall, regardless of whether trunking is used.

 

[LED Lighting]

Bottom line no they are not notifiable as your not adding to the existing circuit or making a new circuit.
BUT your way is not the way to go about it! As said above if you don't know how to do it correctly then get an electrician in.

if you are an electrician (fully qualified and not registered) and not just have done the short 5 day course (as that does not make you an electrician!) then let us know and we will rebook at this!

 

[ruston]

I would like conceal this wiring in trunking within the walls


Within the building regs there is a maximum depth that the walls can be channeled , so there is more than one book you will need.

 

[kingeri]

I wouldn't put trunking in a wall.

 

[dan86]

not even gonna join in on this one.
the answer has been said already

 

[ExArmy]

I would get an electrician in, even if you just arrange for them to check it out and advise if it's ok, then you can do all the chasing in and then the electrician can second fix at the end.
i've seen a job like this where the sockets were wired in 1.5 flex in trunking and 2 core in trunking, the guy just bashed on and buried it all in the walls without a second thought, and then plastered over it nicely and painted the walls. it's probably all still like that now actually! but it would not have been a big job at the stage it's all chased out to just put the right cable in and have the job done right

 

[sima24]

If your changing the installation method which you would be would this not make it notifable.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

notice how the O/P always does a disappearing act whenever they have been given advice they wern`t looking for, don`t agree with or otherwise cant extract free info from guys who after all are running a business...not a charity?..lol..
they must think this is a bloody sweetshop...

 

[k_d_ch]

Bottom line no they are not notifiable as your not adding to the existing circuit or making a new circuit.
BUT your way is not the way to go about it! As said above if you don't know how to do it correctly then get an electrician in.

if you are an electrician (fully qualified and not registered) and not just have done the short 5 day course (as that does not make you an electrician!) then let us know and we will rebook at this!

Many thanks for your reply. Just to make it clear: changing a piece of wiring would not fall under "adding to the existing circuit or making a new circuit", so it would
not be notifiable, right? As I said in my initial post, I expect that in some places depressing the wire into the wall would mean I need a longer piece of wire than the one installed at the moment.

As to your second comment, no I have not attended any electrician's courses. However, I have been good at school and university physics and maths and have done a lot
of DIY since I was 5!

 

[k_d_ch]

To kingeri:

So you always leave the trunking outside?

 

[k_d_ch]

I wouldn't put trunking in a wall.

So you always install wiring in trunking attached to the wall?

 

[LED Lighting]

Either way you don't need to use trunking in this method!
has said property got RCD protection?
if you are renting have u got permission to do what your wanting to do?
being good at physics does not mean you are good at electrics,
some electricians have been killed by making a mistake. Just look how many fires there has been.

Either way its not notifiable! But still get an electrician in to at least price it up, you could be supprised

 

[Adam W]

Chances are the trunking isn't in safe zones so it wouldn't be as simple as cutting the cables in behind where the trunking used to be.
As you say, some of the cables may not be long enough so will need replacing, or threading through, so it's more a case of taking it all out and starting again, ie installing a new circuit, which is notifiable.

 

[k_d_ch]

I would get an electrician in, even if you just arrange for them to check it out and advise if it's ok, then you can do all the chasing in and then the electrician can second fix at the end.
i've seen a job like this where the sockets were wired in 1.5 flex in trunking and 2 core in trunking, the guy just bashed on and buried it all in the walls without a second thought, and then plastered over it nicely and painted the walls. it's probably all still like that now actually! but it would not have been a big job at the stage it's all chased out to just put the right cable in and have the job done right

Many thanks for your comment. Yes, of course I am considering exactly the plan you suggest. My reason for doing it myself is that in my experience with many
local guys you have to stand behind them while they are working anyway, to make sure they do it properly. And then they want to charge you dearly still.
I am not referring to all trade members, I know there are decent and professional guys out there, but I often seem to be unlucky. The guy who had installed
the electrics in the house we bought made the wiring hang in a chaotic fashion under our bathroom floor, to mention just one case of a job badly done.
And this is a registered electrician who provided a certificate for the job.

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If your changing the installation method which you would be would this not make it notifable.

I don't know, I guess this is what my question was partially about.

 

[k_d_ch]

notice how the O/P always does a disappearing act whenever they have been given advice they wern`t looking for, don`t agree with or otherwise cant extract free info from guys who after all are running a business...not a charity?..lol..
they must think this is a bloody sweetshop...

? ...... ?

 

[Adam W]

To kingeri:

So you always leave the trunking outside?

I was lead to believe the whole point of trunking was that you could take the lid off and lay cables inside, which you won't be able to do if it's plastered into the wall.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

? ...... ?

whats up?
cant you read?

 

[k_d_ch]

Chances are the trunking isn't in safe zones so it wouldn't be as simple as cutting the cables in behind where the trunking used to be.
As you say, some of the cables may not be long enough so will need replacing, or threading through, so it's more a case of taking it all out and starting again, ie installing a new circuit, which is notifiable.

Well, most of the trunking is in safe zones. As I understand, trunking was used to conceal the wires somehow. Now, if it wasn't in a safe zone, what else would one use in addition to trunking when it is in the wall? LED Lighting is suggesting above that trunking isn't even necessary!