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So what caused the failure ?... we want details !

This is such a common failure in the UK it's got rather boring. It's a combination of barely adequate switch construction resulting in high heat dissipation at the contacts even under good conditions, poorly terminated cables and the stress of forcing the cables back into the box loosening them and displacing the switch contacts. If any contact or termination is not 100% perfect, it will heat enough to oxidise, thermally relax the screw pressure, increase resistance and slide down the slippery slope to this point or worse, by which time it can be hard to point the finger at the switch or the installer.

I think the standard design is daft. The switch should be mounted into the box, then wired in situ, then the cover fitted. That, and a few more pennies spent on the switch spring action and contact design, would prevent most of these.
 
This is such a common failure in the UK it's got rather boring. It's a combination of barely adequate switch construction resulting in high heat dissipation at the contacts even under good conditions, poorly terminated cables and the stress of forcing the cables back into the box loosening them and displacing the switch contacts. If any contact or termination is not 100% perfect, it will heat enough to oxidise, thermally relax the screw pressure, increase resistance and slide down the slippery slope to this point or worse, by which time it can be hard to point the finger at the switch or the installer.

I think the standard design is daft. The switch should be mounted into the box, then wired in situ, then the cover fitted. That, and a few more pennies spent on the switch spring action and contact design, would prevent most of these.
That's what I like about the Crabtree p/switch,50A rated and fixed to the ceiling before cables connected. S
 
One i replaced last week. Loose cpnnection over time had caused this on the line conductor. Cable needed stripping back 4 inches before it was ok for re terminating. 6mm cabke 8.5kW shower 40A MCB

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I like the Crabtree ones, but generally I don't like pull-switches anyway. I prefer to bring the cable to a back-box on the wall outside the bathroom. Especially with 10mm cable. If you fit a double box like this


you can bring the cable into one side, cross over into the other side where the switch goes, and send it back out to the shower...plenty of room, fit a blanking plate, and you've got a perfect place for a small stash...
but I am going to put my tin hat on now...
 
i had to replace a crabtree the other week. it had gone O/C. then again, i had fitted it in 2004 and the client had been using it as an on/off switch for 15 years, so can't crumble.
 
All down to price, Buzz...
Imagine if you quoted for a job and chose good gear at say £10 more?
No chance!
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10K for a new kitchen?
No problem.
2k for a rewire to keep everything safe for years?
No chance!
 

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