Commercial PIR on a LARGE site.

[IQ Electrical]

good point... i think in all seriousness it would be a new year start anyway by the time all the paperwork has been sorted and suchlike. Must keep my eye put for the draft as soon as it becomes available.

Thanks for that.

It's published in July but not in force until 01/01/12

 

[accordfire]

It's published in July but not in force until 01/01/12

This link here is to the IET DPC Section, including downloads.

 

[malcolmsanford]

But be quick they take it off line by Jan 1st

 

[Festerfly]

Cheers guys.

 

[robswainelect]

I price per Dist Board.
Remember you are reporting on the condition of the electrical system, as it is. If you cant find circuits put it on the recommendation sheet, Unable to identify circuit.
I don't over price either, for the testing, as normally there is a lot of remedial works to be completed after the testing!

 

[IQ Electrical]

I price per Dist Board.
Remember you are reporting on the condition of the electrical system, as it is. If you cant find circuits put it on the recommendation sheet, Unable to identify circuit.
I don't over price either, for the testing, as normally there is a lot of remedial works to be completed after the testing!

How can you possibly do that, given the rather large variation in distribution board sizes?

The only logical way is a per-circuit price.

 

[robswainelect]

You should know the sizes before you quote!

 

[IQ Electrical]

You should know the sizes before you quote!

But that's my point, at the end of the day, you are still pricing per circuit!

 

[robswainelect]

Yes I suppose you are!

 

[Festerfly]

***latest update***

Back at the customers site to discuss some other works and to clarify a few details on this PIR also and the customer posed this question:-


Bearing in mind that there is NO existing paperwork in the form of a PIR or Valid EIC for the site electrical circuits in any way shape or form i am right in saying that they will need to have ALL circuits fully tested and reported not a 'basic' overall test just checking say 1 in 3 circuits and a quick visual inspection etc. My view was that with no prior test reports they should have a full and thorough PIR to give them a 'Baseline' for everything on site.

They have been given varying advice in the past concerning this hence the question. Wanted to confirm my thoughts on this.

One more step closer!

Cheers

 

[IQ Electrical]

In that situation, we would propose a full test and a 20% inspection.

If significant defects are revealed then the inspection percentage should be increased with agreement from the client as additional costs will be involved.

The primary reason for sampling is that faults would be introduced as a consequence of mass dismantling of the installation.

 

[Festerfly]

IQ,

Sorry for the late thanks but much appreciated. ive discussed this with the Customer and aside from confirming the pricing, we are looking to go with Testing plus 20% inspection plus increase as problem found etc.

Most of the works i have seen are likely to be remedial related unless the testing starts to show anything really untoward. Finally making some headway with this i think.. still very daunting though!

Theybe got lots of work needs doing along with the testing and now the PAT testing i due.. might aswell sign myself up for the year!

 

[IQ Electrical]

Make hay while the sun shines!

You'll find most of your defects will come from the visual inspection, damaged accessories, IP problems on DB's and panels etc.

Most of our testing identified defects are failed RCBO/RCD's, low IR's on older installations, and the odd exceeded Zs.

The PAT price is getting hammered at the minute, ridiculous prices reflecting the fact that anyone can be a 'PAT tester'. We stick firmly to our price per item unless there is an unusually large quantity, let the 75 pence an item brigade take it if they want it, we can't make money on that.

 

[nickblake]

no a full test of every circuit is required that will give you a base to monitor the condition for the next inspection , appart from all the testing what i would recommend is you lable the dist boards as you do them if there are more than one also lable the sockets switches outlets with whickh DB they are from and associated circuit 1 it makes life easier and you know what youve tested and also in the future if you have any work from them you can identify the circuits quickly , you have to identify every thing when your testing its so easy to do a quick lable ive just done a wholesalers with 14 Dist boards started off with DB1 which was the main one and ended up with DB 14 labled with 24mm yellow and black letters/numbers and 12 mm lable for all the accessories

 

[IQ Electrical]

I think by "Testing plus 20% inspection" he means a full test?

 

[tonys]

20% Inspection in my world means 20% sampling, because a full visual is the norm lol

 

[IQ Electrical]

20% Inspection in my world means 20% sampling, because a full visual is the norm lol

Absolutely, by inspection, I mean actually dismantling accessories etc.

I'd also get the labelling bit cleared up with the client, we always supply DB schedules as part of the inspection because it's the flick of a button and the printer does the rest but on the sites that we do with 1000+ circuits, it would be impossible to include labelling of accessories (there will be thousands) in with the standard PIR rate.

 

[tonys]

That's the thing, if you pick on areas where you think labeling is required ie a bank of isolators not identified as to what they do, you would put that in with the report, then its up to the client what they intend to do about it.

I don't think people fully understand the concept behind PIR'S.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Just as a point of interest.
What code would you apply to lack of circuit identification in this or similar instances?
Would your choice of code be affected by the number of unidentified circuits?

 

[Festerfly]

I thought IQ meant was as he said only dismantling say 20% of the faceplates / accessories etc.

Really appreciate everyones input thank you. Makes it easier to clarify all points with the customer prior to starting.