EICR test and report

[Alanis]

Hi all

I'm new here.
I have a few questions regarding EICR need some help.

1. if the property has no gas supply do I need to check the Main Bonding Gas Installation pipes check box on page 2?
2. would visual inspection enough or do I have to carry out Live Test?
3. Is it necessary to check the building's main which is located outside of the apartment which requires the EICR
4. Can my boss sign the report and he is the owner of the business? If i did the inspection.

Many thanks

 

[westward10]

Shouldn't you be asking your boss.

 

[Alanis]

Shouldn't you be asking your boss.

Because I don't think he should be signing it because he is not the electrician who did the inspection.
I think what he asked me to do is not 100% right that's why I'm here.

 

[Dartlec]

Hi all

I'm new here.
I have a few questions regarding EICR need some help.

1. if the property has no gas supply do I need to check the Main Bonding Gas Installation pipes check box on page 2?
2. would visual inspection enough or do I have to carry out Live Test?
3. Is it necessary to check the building's main which is located outside of the apartment which requires the EICR
4. Can my boss sign the report and he is the owner of the business? If i did the inspection.

Many thanks

1. If there is no gas, then N/A goes in the gas box, as it would for Oil, etc (and water if run in plastic)

2. The limits of the EICR should be arranged and agreed in advance with the client. A visual inspection does have some use in a well maintained installation if it is just between tenant changes with a historical inspection record in place. However, If this is being done for the purposes of the landlord legislation, then a visual inspection is not enough IMO, (although seems to be the standard of some "3 a day" firms) - at a minimum either live or dead testing should be done on every circuit to confirm polarity. IMO IR testing (L&N - E) should be carried out on every circuit too, unless there is a very good reason why it should be LIM for a particular circuit.

3. External supply for apartments can be a tricky one - if it's not being tested/verified then make that clear on the certificate with appropriate LIMs - or if there is a small board feeding a sub main then the 63A MCB might be considered the Supply Protective Device for your 'installation' and would be noted as such.

4. The person signing the document should be the one doing the inspection imo. Whoever signs it is taking responsibility for the document's accuracy and competence of the person doing the work. Some forms have a separate certificate for report review and assessment, though that is often omitted on domestic forms.

 

[westward10]

Because I don't think he should be signing it because he is not the electrician who did the inspection.
I think what he asked me to do is not 100% right that's why I'm here.

No asking him the questions you are asking on here.

 

[Alanis]

No asking him the questions you are asking on here.

I kind of did and I did not think he was very happy with me.
I think I might quit that place

 

[Alanis]

1. If there is no gas, then N/A goes in the gas box, as it would for Oil, etc (and water if run in plastic)

2. The limits of the EICR should be arranged and agreed in advance with the client. A visual inspection does have some use in a well maintained installation if it is just between tenant changes with a historical inspection record in place. However, If this is being done for the purposes of the landlord legislation, then a visual inspection is not enough IMO, (although seems to be the standard of some "3 a day" firms) - at a minimum either live or dead testing should be done on every circuit to confirm polarity. IMO IR testing (L&N - E) should be carried out on every circuit too, unless there is a very good reason why it should be LIM for a particular circuit.

3. External supply for apartments can be a tricky one - if it's not being tested/verified then make that clear on the certificate with appropriate LIMs - or if there is a small board feeding a sub main then the 63A MCB might be considered the Supply Protective Device for your 'installation' and would be noted as such.

4. The person signing the document should be the one doing the inspection imo. Whoever signs it is taking responsibility for the document's accuracy and competence of the person doing the work. Some forms have a separate certificate for report review and assessment, though that is often omitted on domestic forms.

Thank you very much for your response.

 

[westward10]

I kind of did and I did not think he was very happy with me.
I think I might quit that place

I see you are a trainee so if he is expecting you to do this work then you should be given suitable guidance.

 

[JBW175]

Don’t some schemes (NIC) allow the AC to sign off the inspections so not all need be registered with the scam?

I’m not with them, so happy to be corrected if wrong.

 

[Dartlec]

Don’t some schemes (NIC) allow the AC to sign off the inspections so not all need be registered with the scam?

I’m not with them, so happy to be corrected if wrong.

They do for Part P purposes - but not sure the same applies for EICRs.

Though if the boss is demanding corners be cut I'd probably rather his name was on the paperwork to be honest..

 

[westward10]

We don't know what the boss is demanding it seems the OP isn't 100% of what is required and the info from the boss isn't forth coming.

 

[loz2754]

And anyone doing EICRs should really know what they're doing and how to fill in the forms...

 

[DPG]

And anyone doing EICRs should really know what they're doing and how to fill in the forms...

Agree. And the questions that have been asked cast serious doubts on this.

 

[timhoward]

I think the best answer I can give to @Alanis is to have a good look through the items on the inspection schedule in the various sections - Intake Equipment, Earthing / Bonding Arrangements, Consumer Units, Final Circuits, Locations containing Bath/Shower. This is the main focus of the report. You need to be sure how you would approach verifying each item.
Unless it's an agreed limitation that you aren't going to inspect something, or the item isn't relevant, you will need to do whatever tests are required, visual and/or live and/or dead to be able to confirm the status of any given item.
The more experience you get, the more you will get into a set routine that covers a lot of it, and then glance through to see what you might not have checked. In broad terms I check supply, earthing, bonding, do a walk around, then tackle consumer unit and final circuits.
I'm a bit bewildered that you have been placed in this position. I can't understand why your boss isn't being more supportive. Is your role entirely carrying out inspections? Are you getting any training, or chances to shadow someone else?
However this transpires be safe and if you aren't sure don't do it!

 

[Alanis]

I think the best answer I can give to @Alanis is to have a good look through the items on the inspection schedule in the various sections - Intake Equipment, Earthing / Bonding Arrangements, Consumer Units, Final Circuits, Locations containing Bath/Shower. This is the main focus of the report. You need to be sure how you would approach verifying each item.
Unless it's an agreed limitation that you aren't going to inspect something, or the item isn't relevant, you will need to do whatever tests are required, visual and/or live and/or dead to be able to confirm the status of any given item.
The more experience you get, the more you will get into a set routine that covers a lot of it, and then glance through to see what you might not have checked. In broad terms I check supply, earthing, bonding, do a walk around, then tackle consumer unit and final circuits.
I'm a bit bewildered that you have been placed in this position. I can't understand why your boss isn't being more supportive. Is your role entirely carrying out inspections? Are you getting any training, or chances to shadow someone else?
However this transpires be safe and if you aren't sure don't do it!

Thank you so much for this, I am a trainee and had limited experience and I have already requested more support from the boss but he doesn't seem to care too much. I did an inspection without equipment just visual and did not feel right about it.

 

[Alanis]

Thank you all for the reply.

 

[i=p/u]

Just a "make sure nothing hanging of wall job

 

[Alanis]

We don't know what the boss is demanding it seems the OP isn't 100% of what is required and the info from the boss isn't forth coming.

Boss wants me to inspect without equipment and I think it did not matter to him if the form is filled correctly or not. He is going to sign it and scam people with remedial work. There was no gas in the building but I saw him ticked the box with GAS on page 2 and put a measurement on bonding material. I think he used a template form...I cannot say for sure. I did not feel good about this

 

[Dartlec]

Boss wants me to inspect without equipment and I think it did not matter to him if the form is filled correctly or not. He is going to sign it and scam people with remedial work. There was no gas in the building but I saw him ticked the box with GAS on page 2 and put a measurement on bonding material. I think he used a template form...I cannot say for sure. I did not feel good about this

Unfortunately sounds like a boss who's 'advice' would not be worth learning from anyway in terms of doing a competent or good job.

You'll have to decide how you feel about what you're doing - if you are only doing a visual inspection then you can at least still do that properly and to the best of your abilities (checking bonding is in place and the right size, looking for damaged sockets, light fittings etc). while getting some experience of the reality of houses.

What your boss does you cannot do much about unfortunately, other than decide whether you want to keep working for him.

I don't suppose you know whether he is registered with the NICEIC or NAPIT? If so you could consider informing them of what he's doing (though probably only after you've decided you can no longer work with him naturally...)

 

[i=p/u]

Record him then ask for pay rise.