European socket fitted in UK.

[old_sparky_RE]

IEC 60884 and 60906 plug and socket outlets are referenced for use in the BGB.

I've used 'European' plug and sockets to stop people using a none RCD protected socket as putting up a sign didn't work!

 

[davesparks]

IEC 60884 and 60906 plug and socket outlets are referenced for use in the BGB.

I've used 'European' plug and sockets to stop people using a none RCD protected socket as putting up a sign didn't work!

Why not just use one of the versions of the 13A with the altered pin layout like everyone else does for this purpose?

 

[old_sparky_RE]

Because here in Afghainistan you make do with whats at hand to solve the problem!

 

[davesparks]

Fair enough, I'd assumed that since you were offering this as a contribution in a thread about installing foreign sockets in the uk that you had done this in the uk.
I don't think installing foreign sockets in foreign countries is relevant is it?

 

[old_sparky_RE]

All work conducted is to British Standards and as those IEC plug and sockets are listed for use in the BGB, I used them.
I could have also used a blue BS EN 60309 to comply with The Regs, but we don't often get the socket delivered for some reason!!
Which is the usuall story here you can get one part but not the other to make a set!

 

[Engineer54]

All work conducted is to British Standards and as those IEC plug and sockets are listed for use in the BGB, I used them.
I could have also used a blue BS EN 60309 to comply with The Regs, but we don't often get the socket delivered for some reason!!
Which is the usuall story here you can get one part but not the other to make a set!

Can you post that clause in the Reg's up here, otherwise i'll have to wait until Monday to check myself. As far as i remember, the reg's were quite clear about ensuring that non reversible plugs, sockets, connectors were to be used (polarised). I think the only exception was on ELV installations where each line is has an OCPD at source. That certainly isn't the case with the German Schuko or the old European flat twin system etc....

 

[old_sparky_RE]

Here you go E54:
Table 53.4 "plug and Socket-outlet (equal too or less than) 32 A".
Also - Chapter 51, 511.1
+ I was told to do it by a COW E ! :smile5: Some times the Neurenburg defence can work !

 

[Engineer54]

Just found an older version of the 17th i had on PDF. Things may have changed because the table number has changed, and it only refers to BS standards. The 511.1 does however clearly state that where a foreign standard outlet is used, any differences between that foreign standard and that of the corresponding BS will not result in a lesser degree of safety of that afforded by compliance with the British standard...

So as far as i can see a German Schuko (reversible) or a non earthed and/or reversible outlet system will not comply.
But as i say, i'm quoting from an outdated 17th ed i have here, i'll need to check with the current edition on Monday at the office.... Unless anyone here can post up the current table and 511.1??

 

[old_sparky_RE]

The table I can't do in full but heres the text.


Plug andsocket-outlet (< 32 A)
Standard – Isolation- EM switching –Functional switching
BS EN 60309 Yes(3) No Yes
IEC 60884 Yes(3) No Yes
IEC 60906 Yes(3) No Yes
(3) Device is suitable for on-loadisolation, i.e. disconnection whilst carrying load current.

511.1 Everyitem of equipment shall comply with the relevant requirements ofthe applicable British orHarmonized Standard, appropriate to theintended use of the equipment. The edition of the standard shall be the currentedition, with those amendments pertaining ata date to be agreed by the partiesto the contract concerned (see Appendix 1).

Alternatively, ifequipment complying with a foreign national standardbased on an lEC Standard is to be used, thedesigner or other person responsible for specifying the installationshall verify that any differences between thatstandard and the corresponding British or Harmonized Standardwill not result in a lesser degree of safety than that affordedby compliance with the Britishor Harmonized Standard.

511.2 Whereequipment to be used is not covered by a Britishor Harmonized Standard or is used outside the scopeof its standard, the designer or other person responsiblefor specifying the installation shall confirmthat the equipment provides at least the same degree of safety asthat afforded by compliance with the Regulations.

 

[shanky887614]

Just found an older version of the 17th i had on PDF. Things may have changed because the table number has changed, and it only refers to BS standards. The 511.1 does however clearly state that where a foreign standard outlet is used, any differences between that foreign standard and that of the corresponding BS will not result in a lesser degree of safety of that afforded by compliance with the British standard...

So as far as i can see a German Schuko (reversible) or a non earthed and/or reversible outlet system will not comply.
But as i say, i'm quoting from an outdated 17th ed i have here, i'll need to check with the current edition on Monday at the office.... Unless anyone here can post up the current table and 511.1??

from latest regs