HELP, testing near Slough.

[Sparky28]

Hi all,
I have recently completed an Installation near Slough that requires a cert, before I get a barrage of abuse I am a qualified electrician, I work on trains so I'm a bit out of touch with regs.

I did have someone lined up but let me down :-( If anyone would be interested in testing the install and wants any info on the install please feel free to get in contact.

Sensible replies only please.

Cheers

 

[Heisenberg]

Certifying (EICing) someone else's work is the numero uno cardinal sin in the electrical world. I can't imagine you're going to be receiving too many offers. Sorry.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Wait until April when the new Part P comes into force.
Then someone should be able to give you an EICR.

(I think!)



edit:
I'm assuming you're wanting to notify the job to the Council.
Read more...
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf

 

[Sparky28]

Thanks Heisenberg and archy for quick reply, I can understand it being a sin, but can't see the problem if I was willing to show every electrical connection, containment which is surfaced mounted, and circuit design etc? Surely if passes the tests (which I have done) then why would anyone be worried??

 

[Sparky28]

Archy, the owner of where the job is done has notified council and they have done their inspections etc as units were built from scratch.

 

[Heisenberg]

Thanks Heisenberg and archy for quick reply, I can understand it being a sin, but can't see the problem if I was willing to show every electrical connection, containment which is surfaced mounted, and circuit design etc? Surely if passes the tests (which I have done) then why would anyone be worried??

As you've already done the work, and from what you say, some testing. Why not simply notify LABC yourself and get them to come and inspect it? Or is it because of what they would charge you?

 

[Heisenberg]

Ok, we had a crossed post there.

How could the LABC have come and inspected it, they would want to see the EIC certs??

 

[Sparky28]

Heisenberg, excuse my ignorance, not sure what labc is or what they would charge? I quoted £150 per cert, 6 required, one for mains board, 1 per unit x4 (4 circuits each) and an outdoor area. Sound reasonable?

 

[Sparky28]

The council have been round and done inspections on building work etc now waiting for certs.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Are these units dwellings?
If not, ignore the Part P nonsense.
And we've gone full circle, you want someone to issue EICs!

+tion...

Only thing I can think of is, you get someone to help you with the I&T and you sign the EICs.

 

[Heisenberg]

Heisenberg, excuse my ignorance, not sure what labc is or what they would charge? I quoted £150 per cert, 6 required, one for mains board, 1 per unit x4 (4 circuits each) and an outdoor area. Sound reasonable?

LABC = Local Area Building Control.

What exactly do you mean by, 'I quoted £150 per cert'? Does that include the actual work undertaken or simply the paperwork that is required to go along with it?

 

[Sparky28]

Heisenberg, £150 for each cert to cover testing and paperwork

 

[Sparky28]

Archy, have to excuse ignorance, they are classed as temp structures, with, ring main circuit, radial circuit and a lighting circuit. How would I do eic's cheers

 

[Octopus]

Hi all,
I have recently completed an Installation near Slough that requires a cert, before I get a barrage of abuse I am a qualified electrician, I work on trains so I'm a bit out of touch with regs.

I did have someone lined up but let me down :-( If anyone would be interested in testing the install and wants any info on the install please feel free to get in contact.

Sensible replies only please.

Cheers

Sorry mate but I simply don't believe you. If you "had somebody lined up" to sign it off you must have known that this was a requirement.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Get yourself a copy of Guidance Note 3.
Everything you need to know is in there.
You can downloaded the certificates from the IET website.

 

[Sparky28]

Murdoch, what is there to believe? I know the installation requires certification that's why im trying to get it done properly, my fault through going through a friend of a friend :-(

 

[Sparky28]

Thanks Archy, just making sure that I'm ok to sign it off, I've only got 2351 and my jib card is that sufficient to sign a job off??

 

[Silly Sausage]

Hmmm....
I'm being wary now, don't want to say you are OK to do it when I don't really know anything about you.
I get the feeling you're unsure about I&T, so I'm sticking to my previous suggestion that you get someone else in to help and you sign the EICs.



(I'm off now)

 

[Sparky28]

Archy, can understand your concerns, just after re assurance I think, like everyone when they have done something this big for the 1st time,.

Followed on site guide inspection and testing and carried out the tests, even paid for the test equipment (£500+ ) so hopefully you can see I want to do it right

 

[whitestu]

If you are qualified and have tested your installation can't you complete the EIC yourself? Complying with part P is another matter, but I should think building control will advise you what your options are if you call them.

 

[trev]

Is this a domestic job? If not then there are no notification requirements under part p. You just fill in the certs and swap them for a cheque

 

[Sparky28]

Hi whitestu, thanks for your input, to be honest I didn't know I could do eic's, just assumed you had to have 2391 and so on?

 

[Sparky28]

Hi trev, thanks for input, its industrial, so just to check, if I fill in the eic's with my test results and hand the to the customer, that would cover everything?? Just don't want to be caught with my pants down (

 

[wade88]

ha! I thought i was the only one who carried out testing in my pants! fancy that. A fellow pants-down tester. Brilliant.

 

[Sparky28]

Wade, I was actually naked but had doors locked so I couldn't get caught helpful input maybe?

 

[wade88]

OK, if you insist on useful...although it strongly goes against my better nature.

As Trev has said. I worked as a domestic spark for some time, now i work in an industrial setting. Part P applies to domestic dwellings only. Good practise on both sides of the coin certainly applies, but in regards to the legalities behind cert signing, where it is an industrial environment you are working in, no requirement under P, so sign away. As long as you feel COMPETENT to do so, your away fella.

It is however, a tricky circumstance that you are in, as your circuitry is applying to a "temporary" domestic environment that is situated within an industrial one. So, in my honest opinion, i feel this would need to be compliant under BS:7671 of course and therefore require proper signatory certs that comply with Part P(iss) spec

 

[Sparky28]

Thank you wade, not sure on your comment about temp domestic? They are temp industrial units with a 3ph supply to each. Would this not make it industrial?? I would even class it as an add on as there are other units on this piece of farmland. Any clearer?? Got another question for you but don't want you pulling me 2 pieces )

 

[wade88]

Ah sorry mate i misunderstood, i thought you were talking about Bunkabins or the like. Places where workers might be sleeping, not sure where i fabricated that from....

In which case your fine to just carry on as you are. If they are not domestic then no problem.

Fire away Sparky, absolutely zero guaranteeing i will be able to answer it, but some smart chap around will no doubt.

 

[Engineer54]

Thank you wade, not sure on your comment about temp domestic? They are temp industrial units with a 3ph supply to each. Would this not make it industrial?? I would even class it as an add on as there are other units on this piece of farmland. Any clearer?? Got another question for you but don't want you pulling me 2 pieces )

Part Pee doesn't apply, so complete certs and get paid!! lol!!

Ask away...

 

[Sparky28]

Right wade here goes:-
Earthing method,
The supply to this farmland is run down a wooden pylon (for want of a better word) you can clearly see the 3 phase and neutral supply cable going to the fuses now the thing I can't get my head round where is the main earth connection!!!

You may be thinking what the f**k??!! But I get a reading of 240 v ph-earth, and I went to another unit with my tester and done a earth fault loop impeadance test on a socket and the value was within range for the protective device

Helpful advice again please mate

 

[Sparky28]

Thanks engineer 54 )

 

[Sparky28]

Eng 54, feel free to read earthing method post £

 

[Engineer54]

Sounds like you have an overhead PME earthing system..... What is the Ze value at the main intake?? Should be 0.35 ohms or under if PME supply.

 

[Sparky28]

Eng, thanks, I've never come across this before ( I have not been able to carry out a Ze test at the mains. I cannot make out the main earth
conductor so how would I do it?? ((

 

[trev]

You have to find the main earth conductor. Quite simple really.

 

[wade88]

Sorry chap went away to route some ply wood, for a nice finish to mount a new CU on.

As Engineer has said, if that N coming is a PEN then you have as suggested, an over head TNC-S.

You must be able to find the main earth? Have you not traced it

 

[Engineer54]

Where have you taken the supply from for your installation?? The overhead supply could be a sub-main from the works main intake, but then would have included a earth conductor. You really do need to do some investigation here. As there are certain rules that need to be taken into account when PME supplies are involved!! Especially if any of these workshops you have supplied have any extraneous services (metallic water/gas/ steelwork etc)

 

[Sparky28]

Honestly chaps I've looked over and over and traced the other earths than run away from the earthing connector block, I've tried breaking it down but still get readings via parallel earths, am I missing the obvious?? Wish I could upload pics then u would see (

 

[Des 56]

Is it just me that's not getting the gist of the set up?

Working from the metering position or positions,what comes next ?
Where does the unit supplies originate etc

 

[Sparky28]

DES, all I have is 3pm and neutral overhead supply to bs 88 fuses then to the meter then to a busbar chamber to supply dis boards.