Discuss House Rewiring - Telephone Line in the Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

Welcome to ElectriciansForums.net - The American Electrical Advice Forum
Head straight to the main forums to chat by click here:   American Electrical Advice Forum

Max786

DIY
Reaction score
0
Hi All,
I need some advice please. I am getting the whole house rewired/plastered and at the same time, i would like to put in a telephone cable in certain room in the house. I am bit confused on what i should buy and install. I reviewed forums and they seem a bit old, so could be installing something not required or legacy.
I have a master socket downstairs in the landing and i had legacy sockets upstairs in my daughters bedroom - a cable leading from the master socket to the socket upstairs. This was where we had the family PC/router and house telephone. I want to modify the location of these devices to as follows:
Keep the master socket in the landing downstairs and also keep the router upstairs in the kids bedroom , but:
1) Have a telephone socket for the family phone in the master bedroom and kitchen
2) Do i need to lay a telephone socket in the kids bedroom, along with a telephone line or will the new house electric wiring suffice, with wireless plugs. - wiring will be hidden
3) I am bit confused with 4-core or 8-core telephone cable , what is the difference -
Nexans 4-Core Telephone Cable 50m White - https://www.screwflix..com/p/nexans-4-core-telephone-cable-50m-white/190fk
Nexans 8-Core Telephone Cable 50m White - https://www.screwflix..com/p/nexans-8-core-telephone-cable-50m-white/396fk
4) Is there any recommendation on what telephone socket i should go for, i want to make it future proof also, especially with more and more devices becoming wireless now
5) Is there also any recommendation for network devices for WIFI around the whole house.

As you can see i am bit confused and out of touch with what is available and possible these days on the market. So any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks
 
<Master socket is BT's so that tends to remain where it is, although you dont need to plug anything into it (usuallly). Decide exactly where you want the router, run 4 or 8 core cable from master to router socket, socket is a secondary. from router socket run 4 or 8 core cable to master bed and again to kitchen, like a daisy chain.
Only thing i would add is best wifi coverage is obtained by careful placement of router and any additional wifi coverage required. So if there is already a poor area of the house then consider running Cat5e type cable (similar to phone cable in appearence but very different in terms of signal performance) from router to an ceiling mounted wifi extender.
Modern wifi gives best performance (i.e. speed) when the signal strength is at its highest, so dont skimp on wifi coverage and then moan when its slow... lol
Hope this helps
 
Personally I would run cat 6 ethernet cable all run to central point of your choosing. You can then terminate the cat 6 into either a j45 socket for network or telephone plate.

Then use a patch panel to wire up as desired.

Then you've got the option for networking or setting up for telephone.
 
Last edited:
Thanks all for the comments. Just some more follow up questions:

As you suggested, i need to purchase a new wifi router, as a example with this be a good idea, as my router is service provider supplied and old... TalkTalk, so need an upgrade.
View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-R8000P-Nighthawk-Tri-Band-AC4000/dp/B073G222VP/ref=sr_1_15_sspa?keywords=router+4+ethernet+ports&qid=1581942446&s=computers&sr=1-15-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExQU8wU0tBNlJRTDNMJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjk4NzI4TkFCSEdIOUE0QTZJJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAxMDIzOTgxRVRYT05ZMllGTUJZJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==


I was thinking, based on your recommendation, i would instead purchase a WIFI extenders to ethernet the house. Would CAT 5 or CAT 6 be better, what is the difference and better overall?

Nexans Cat 6 LSZH Ethernet Cable 100m Blue - https://www.screwflix..com/p/nexans-cat-6-lszh-ethernet-cable-100m-blue/593fk

Would the following sockets be a good idea
WiFi Connekt Switches & Sockets | Wiring Accessories | screwflix..com - https://www.screwflix..com/c/electrical-lighting/switches-sockets/cat830530?brand=wifi_connekt
I would still need a telephone socket for the room for the phone, so do i need a telephone line for the room, in addition to the ethernet cable (networking).

Thanks
 
Personally I would run cat 6 ethernet cable all run to central point of your choosing. You can then terminate the cat 6 into either a j45 socket for network or telephone plate.

Then use a patch panel to wire up as desired.

Then you've got the option for networking or setting up for telephone.


Could you elaborate more on the patch panel.. For the Cat6 and Telephone cable.

Do i still need a telephone line in addition to the Ethernet cable or can i suffice with just the ethernet cable and use the cable for the telephone line.

I was planning to purchase the following switches - WiFi Connekt Switches & Sockets | Wiring Accessories | screwflix..com - https://www.screwflix..com/c/electrical-lighting/switches-sockets/cat830530?brand=wifi_connekt
 
Could you elaborate more on the patch panel.. For the Cat6 and Telephone cable.
For a patch panel you want something like with enough ports for network. For example

deleyCON CAT6a 12-Port Network Panel Patch Panel Distributor Field Desktop & Wall Mounting Shielded 12x RJ45 Ports TIA568A TIA568B - Black View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LYBUEP9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_dBUsEbV2P93S9



Source URL: House Rewiring - Telephone Line - https://www.electriciansforums.net/threads/house-rewiring-telephone-line.183530/#post-1608150
Do i still need a telephone line in addition to the Ethernet cable or can i suffice with just the ethernet cable and use the cable for the telephone line.

Nope you just use an adapter, if the phone has replaceable cable then you can replace with:

LINDY 2m RJ-11 to RJ-45 Modem Data Cable Black View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B9G415O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_iyUsEbDH72K1V


Or if not

LINDY Telephone Line Adaptor RJ-45 Male to BT Female Secondary 0.25m View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000I2JZJC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_XNUsEbV4HXXQ1



Then at the patch panel for each of network port with a telephone in you would use one of these into a phone socket splitter on your master socket

CDL Micro 2 m BT Male to RJ45 Cat5e Cable View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003534VGS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_kKUsEbDDN6F7Z


Maincore BT Plug to 4 way Sockets x 4 BT Phone Lines Telephone/FAX / Modem Cable/Adapter / Splitter/Converter. View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079ZBJ8WD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_gQUsEbM6GWHVF


Source URL: House Rewiring - Telephone Line - https://www.electriciansforums.net/threads/house-rewiring-telephone-line.183530/#post-1608150
I was planning to purchase the following switches - WiFi Connekt Switches & Sockets | Wiring Accessories | screwflix..com - https://www.screwflix..com/c/electrical-lighting/switches-sockets/cat830530?brand=wifi_connekt

I haven't got any experience with those sockets but they certainly would work.

Note the links are just for quick reference better prices can be found if you shop around.
 
OMG, thats poo, You need something like this Ubiquiti - UniFi® AP AC LITE - https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/

Just make sure your router wifi is also 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz, connect both together with cat 5 and you are good to go. Most modern stuff now has 5ghz chipset for wifi, like phones and tablets but like i said you need a good signal to get full speed out of your broadband or superfast broadband. Then make sure all you TVs and other stuff is wifi enabled and you dont need to cable the rest.
 
Personally I would run cat 6 ethernet cable all run to central point of your choosing. You can then terminate the cat 6 into either a j45 socket for network or telephone plate.

Then use a patch panel to wire up as desired.

Then you've got the option for networking or setting up for telephone.

cant see any benefit in a domestic instance using cat6 instead of cat5!
 
Since you are having the house rewired and replastered have you considered installing plastic conduit for the comms? Depending on the runs and house construction this would minimalize disruption in the future.
 
My plan was to hide the wiring behind the plaster, similar to the electrical wiring.

Good comments and food for thought.

The UniFi sound a good option and i am really considering it.

Here is what i am thinking:

Leave the master socket in the landing, as you enter the house.
Option 1) Keep the router downstairs next to the landing and then have a UniFi or WiFi Socket, as an extender on 1st Floor, then we can use the WiFi extender for 2nd Floor and surrounding areas.

Option 2) Have one Ethernet Cable - CAT 5 or 6 going from downstairs to kids bedroom. Family Computer is located here.

Question - I need advice on the following, i have a master socket with filter attached to the master socket. How do i connect the ethernet cable from the master socket to bedroom upstairs. Would i use a face plate and connect the ethernet cable from master socket to extension socket upstairs. I am not sure here. From here i connect the router to the extension socket.

I can then use the Wifi extender downstairs - Ground Floor and one upstairs - 2nd Floor.

I don't too many ethernet cables in the house or telephone cables. Just have central point, as i feel WiFi would be suffice.

What do you think.
[automerge]1582024101[/automerge]
What are you thought on this also

 
Cat6 not worth the extra aggro with cables, sockets, patch leads and the like. In a house as mentioned you will get 1Gb/s easy, i only use 6 where i am using copper uplinks at 10G/s or i have long distances with POE. TBH if you are going above 1Gb/s its actually better and easier to use fibre.
 
Cat6 not worth the extra aggro with cables, sockets, patch leads and the like. In a house as mentioned you will get 1Gb/s easy, i only use 6 where i am using copper uplinks at 10G/s or i have long distances with POE. TBH if you are going above 1Gb/s its actually better and easier to use fibre.


So just to clarify. Keep it simple and clean and go for one wifi extender and keep the router in the landing of the house, close to the master socket. Ignore the Cat 5 ethernet and just a get a good new faster router.. e.g View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073G222VP/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=&linkCode=w00&linkId=&creativeASIN=B073G222VP
 
Almost, you need to run a cat5 between the router and the wifi access point. Dont try and use repeaters, they are useless. I have completed a house recently with 100Mb/s symmetric internet connection to BT. I have flooded the house with those Ubiquiti Wifi access points, i have used 8 X Dual band antennas. Its a big house, lol - Anyway, i get almost 95% throughput of the max speed of the internet connection and thats after going through some switches, firewall and 2 X routers. The switches are interconnected with Cat6 running at 10Gb/s.
Trust me when i say as the signal drops, the speed falls off a cliff... lol
In simply terms run a Cat5 cable from the central point of the house in the loft so it can poke through the ceiling of whatever room / landing area that is central. Run the cable back to the router. You can terminate the cable onto a RJ45 outlet, its a bigger version of a telephone point. Then plug a short patch lead from the outlet to any spare switch port at the back of the router (they typically have 4 as a minimum)
Then buy your dual band Ubiquiti access point (antennae) make off the Cat5 onto a RJ45 plug or if this is too hard, terminate the cat5 onto a RJ45 faceplate in the loft and then run a cat5 patch lead from the back of the access point to the faceplate in the loft. The access points run Power over ethernet so use the supplied power supply and plug it into socket in the loft. Alternatively buy a POE router and you can power the access point directly from the router.
hope this helps
 
Almost, you need to run a cat5 between the router and the wifi access point. Dont try and use repeaters, they are useless. I have completed a house recently with 100Mb/s symmetric internet connection to BT. I have flooded the house with those Ubiquiti Wifi access points, i have used 8 X Dual band antennas. Its a big house, lol - Anyway, i get almost 95% throughput of the max speed of the internet connection and thats after going through some switches, firewall and 2 X routers. The switches are interconnected with Cat6 running at 10Gb/s.
Trust me when i say as the signal drops, the speed falls off a cliff... lol
In simply terms run a Cat5 cable from the central point of the house in the loft so it can poke through the ceiling of whatever room / landing area that is central. Run the cable back to the router. You can terminate the cable onto a RJ45 outlet, its a bigger version of a telephone point. Then plug a short patch lead from the outlet to any spare switch port at the back of the router (they typically have 4 as a minimum)
Then buy your dual band Ubiquiti access point (antennae) make off the Cat5 onto a RJ45 plug or if this is too hard, terminate the cat5 onto a RJ45 faceplate in the loft and then run a cat5 patch lead from the back of the access point to the faceplate in the loft. The access points run Power over ethernet so use the supplied power supply and plug it into socket in the loft. Alternatively buy a POE router and you can power the access point directly from the router.
hope this helps


Yes... alot of information.. I wish my house was a mansion, but only 5 bedroom (;->).
 

Reply to House Rewiring - Telephone Line in the Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

OFFICIAL SPONSORS

Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Electrician Courses Green Electrical Goods PCB Way Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Pushfit Wire Connectors Electric Underfloor Heating Electrician Courses
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc

Electrical Forum

Welcome to the Electrical Forum at ElectriciansForums.net. The friendliest electrical forum online. General electrical questions and answers can be found in the electrical forum.
This website was designed, optimised and is hosted by Untold Media. Operating under the name Untold Media since 2001.
Back
Top
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website. For the best site experience please disable your AdBlocker.

I've Disabled AdBlock