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[Brian Taylor]

Also brian if you need further clarification a special location in domestic includes
Outside electrics
A room containing bath or shower

As most of my work is replacing damaged sockets and switches etc..some of which will be outside is this noticeable?

 

[magnoliafan89]

When I was on my level 2 hunting for a placement I came across someone advertising himself as an electrician. Turns out he was a jack of all and had only done a level 2 himself.
He was mostly a tiler but did anything a client asked and when doing bathrooms would redo the electrics and even said "once or twice a year I'll rewire a house".
I'd love to see the quality of this work......
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As most of my work is replacing damaged sockets and switches etc..some of which will be outside is this noticeable?

No

 

[DPG]

As most of my work is replacing damaged sockets and switches etc..some of which will be outside is this noticeable?

It sounds like most of your work is not notifiable. But you say 'most', so I'm assuming some of the work you do involves notifiable jobs.

 

[Brian Taylor]

It sounds like most of your work is not notifiable. But you say 'most', so I'm assuming some of the work you do involves notifiable jobs.

So as my work is non noticeable does this mean that I do not have to belong to a scheme?

 

[DPG]

So as my work is non noticeable does this mean that I do not have to belong to a scheme?

You said 'most' of your work. You have obviously done notifiable work because of your earlier comments about the customer dealing with it.

 

[Brian Taylor]

You said 'most' of your work. You have obviously done notifiable work because of your earlier comments about the customer dealing with it.

Yes I've put a few sockets in kitchens and a few new fuse boards

 

[DPG]

Yes I've put a few sockets in kitchens and a few new fuse boards

So why say your work has been non notifiable then? It's hard work this.

 

[Brian Taylor]

You said 'most' of your work. You have obviously done notifiable work because of your earlier comments about the customer dealing with it.

So why say your work has been non notifiable then? It's hard work this.

I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules
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I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules

it seems strange that I can change a socket in a lounge with no problem but can't change a socket in a kitchen without some odious requirement for firms

 

[magnoliafan89]

As most of my work is replacing damaged sockets and switches etc..some of which will be outside is this noticeable?

Replacing something i

I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules
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it seems strange that I can change a socket in a lounge with no problem but can't change a socket in a kitchen without some odious requirement for firms

Brian if you came across a cracked socket in a kifchen and swapped it thats fine. If you then went and pulled in a 6mm cable from the DB to supply a cooker THAT is notifiable, if you were to swap a pendant that is fine if though whilst doing that you added in an extra light on a circuit that is non rcd protected not only is that now against regs but to then start altering the supply of said circuit by adding an rcd is notifiable.
Changing consumer units is also notifiable. So yes you have done notifiable work when you havent actually notified the relevant people

 

[Vortigern]

Notifiable works

• The installation of a new circuit
• The replacement of a consumer unit
• Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location

Non- notifiable works

• All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work.

Special locations and installations

• A room containing a bathtub or shower
• A room containing a swimming pool or sauna heater.

How will compliance with Part P be enforced?

Failure to comply with the Building Regulations is a criminal offence and local authorities have the power to require the removal or alteration of work that does not comply with the requirements.
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I would just like to acknowledge you @Brian Taylor for at least asking the right questions and trying to get abreast of what I and others are banging on about. Kudos to you! I would also add that I started training when I was 17 in London around the east end. The working practices and installation equipment has no semblance of familiarity compared to now. The rules and regulations and enforcement have gradually become more and more complex. Because it has been an incremental and gradual change and increase over the years I have managed to keep abreast by continuing professional development (CPD) and so it is not so hard for me. I did it bite by bite so to speak. From where you appear to be it probably may seem a daunting task to get your head around modern requirements. However if you at least take on board the most basic of requirements, notification, you will be batting from a much more secure wicket so to speak.

 

[davesparks]

I'm not sure what's notification and what's not ...I must admit I don't fully understand the rules

Do you have a copy of part P? It's a free download so you don't even have to pay for it, it clearly explains what is notifiable and what is not. It's certainly a lot easier to understand dthan BS7671 is in places, and you presumably have a copy of BS7671 and understand it?

 

[richy3333]

@davesparks its quite apparent that he doesn’t have a copy of the Regs, certainly not an up to date one ?

 

[Brian Taylor]

				Notifiable works The installation of a new circuit The replacement of a consumer unit Any addition or alteration to an existing circuit in a special location Non- notifiable works All other work is considered non-notifiable, namely additions and alterations to existing installations outside special locations, maintenance, replacement and repair work. Special locations and installations A room containing a bathtub or shower A room containing a swimming pool or sauna heater. How will compliance with Part P be enforced? Failure to comply with the Building Regulations is a criminal offence and local authorities have the power to require the removal or alteration of work that does not comply with the requirements. [automerge]1595972129[/automerge] I would just like to acknowledge you @Brian Taylor for at least asking the right questions and trying to get abreast of what I and others are banging on about. Kudos to you! I would also add that I started training when I was 17 in London around the east end. The working practices and installation equipment has no semblance of familiarity compared to now. The rules and regulations and enforcement have gradually become more and more complex. Because it has been an incremental and gradual change and increase over the years I have managed to keep abreast by continuing professional development (CPD) and so it is not so hard for me. I did it bite by bite so to speak. From where you appear to be it probably may seem a daunting task to get your head around modern requirements. However if you at least take on board the most basic of requirements, notification, you will be batting from a much more secure wicket so to speak. Many thanks sir

 

[Brian Taylor]

@davesparks its quite apparent that he doesn’t have a copy of the Regs, certainly not an up to date one ?

Yes have an older copy...waiting for the price to come down to a sensible level

 

[DPG]

Yes have an older copy...waiting for the price to come down to a sensible level

I was going to respond to this, but thought better of it.

 

[davesparks]

Yes have an older copy...waiting for the price to come down to a sensible level

The price doensy come down, it is what it is, and it is relatively cheap compared to other British standards documents.

How on earth do you carry out work or EICRs in compliance with the regulations if you do not have a copy of the current edition?

 

[Brian Taylor]

The price doensy come down, it is what it is, and it is relatively cheap compared to other British standards documents.

How on earth do you carry out work or EICRs in compliance with the regulations if you do not have a copy of the current edition?

Well yes they do reduce in price...the original price o found was about £95 but have seen them going for about £60 now on Amazon so heading in the right direction
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Well yes they do reduce in price...the original price o found was about £95 but have seen them going for about £60 now on Amazon so heading in the right direction

I can't imagine that the regulations have changed much since the last edition..I am given to understand that the latest is a more or less rewrite of the previous one

 

[davesparks]

I can't imagine that the regulations have changed much since the last edition..I am given to understand that the latest is a more or less rewrite of the previous one

Then your understanding is wrong. If it was a straight rewrite of the last one it wouldn't have been done.

Things that have changed include the new requirements for surge protection, additional requirements for RCD protection in domestic installations, requirements for AFDDs, changes to EV charging, changes to max Zs for RCD protected circuits.

You cannot be carrying out EICRs without a good knowledge of the current wiring regulations, especially not for rental houses where the new law requires them to have an EICR to the 18th edition.

 

[DPG]

Well yes they do reduce in price...the original price o found was about £95 but have seen them going for about £60 now on Amazon so heading in the right direction
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I can't imagine that the regulations have changed much since the last edition..I am given to understand that the latest is a more or less rewrite of the previous one

So, that's another way you can save money and thus undercut genuine electricians. Don't bother buying regs - top tip eh.

If you are for real, then you shouldn't be doing electrical work for people. I suggest you contact people for who you have done notifiable work for and let them know they need to notify their local authority.

I take it you also have no objection to unqualified/unregistered people doing gas installation work for people?

 

[nicebutdim]

What's the legal position when an electrician works to whatever previous version of regulations that best suits their thinking, rather than current regulations?

 

[TJ Anderson]

My uncalibrated MFT (calibration is a waste of money) packed up the other week but I don’t charge my customers enough to cover replacing tools and equipment. It’s fine though, I just short line to earth with a paper clip and wear free covid-19 gloves from the BP garage so I don’t belt myself. It’s great, everything has tripped so far.

 

[UNG]

I am not an engineer (I wish!) and I know there are far better sparks than me on here, just for the record @Brian Taylor. Apologies are not necessary as you have done nothing to offend. All I am really saying is the point about BC notification. I can't put it any more simpler than that please don't over read this. You cannot do work in domestic without notification. If you do you will be breaking the law unless it is always non notifiable work. I think most sparks on here know this. Just a word to the (hopefully!) wise really. You did ask!

I only know personally of one person being taken to court under the Part P regs and he notified his jobs, for notification the only people you are really notifying is HMRC he got nailed for tax evasion as they said his declared income didn't match the number and type of jobs he had notified

 

[Brian Taylor]

Then your understanding is wrong. If it was a straight rewrite of the last one it wouldn't have been done.

Things that have changed include the new requirements for surge protection, additional requirements for RCD protection in domestic installations, requirements for AFDDs, changes to EV charging, changes to max Zs for RCD protected circuits.

You cannot be carrying out EICRs without a good knowledge of the current wiring regulations, especially not for rental houses where the new law requires them to have an EICR to the 18th edition.

This gets more confusing the more I hear....looking back i note that SPDs are a matter of opinion. Not a hard and fast rule !!
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My uncalibrated MFT (calibration is a waste of money) packed up the other week but I don’t charge my customers enough to cover replacing tools and equipment. It’s fine though, I just short line to earth with a paper clip and wear free covid-19 gloves from the BP garage so I don’t belt myself. It’s great, everything has tripped so far.

As far as I'm aware there is no need to have a meter calibrated every year only that any meter is checked against a meter that has been calibrated..is do a set of tests with a meter that has been calibrated..record the values and then do same tests with uncalibrated meter..if results are much the same then all ok
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So, that's another way you can save money and thus undercut genuine electricians. Don't bother buying regs - top tip eh.

If you are for real, then you shouldn't be doing electrical work for people. I suggest you contact people for who you have done notifiable work for and let them know they need to notify their local authority.

I take it you also have no objection to unqualified/unregistered people doing gas installation work for people?

Non whatsoever if they're making a living them good luck to them would do myself if I had any skills in that area but I'll stick to what I know best.

 

[davesparks]

This gets more confusing the more I hear....looking back i note that SPDs are a matter of opinion. Not a hard and fast rule !!

The rules are very clear on SPDs, including the methods of working out whether they are needed or not.
In reality there will be very few installations where they are genuinely not required.

 

[DPG]

The rules are very clear on SPDs, including the methods of working out whether they are needed or not.
In reality there will be very few installations where they are genuinely not required.

I bet Brian doesn't fit them!

 

[Brian Taylor]

I bet Brian doesn't fit them!

Well what do they do?

 

[DPG]

Well what do they do?

I'm bored with it now. I've played along but it's getting samey now.

I suspect you're one of Chris's fan club.

 

[Baddegg]

I'm bored with it now. I've played along but it's getting samey now.

I suspect you're Chris's fan club.

Corrected that for ya mate...??

 

[davesparks]

Well what do they do?

Errrm, a surge protection device protects against surges, the clue is in the name.

 

[magnoliafan89]

Who's this chris??

 

[richy3333]

Who's this chris??

Chris the plumber, builder, electrician, gardener, dog walker, bounty hunter And all round stud muffin. Check out CJR on the tube.

 

[Baddegg]

Chris the plumber, builder, electrician, gardener, dog walker, bounty hunter And all round stud muffin. Check out CJR on the tube.

You forgot hero electrician sent to save the public from us on here mate! ?

 

[NateCreekside]

You lot have the patience of saints

 

[Brian Taylor]

It’s a wind up, Brian Taylor often comments on Chris videos. After 280 odd messages. We’ve taken the hook big time.

Touché Brian.

Whilst I understand that my way of doing things does not accord with the views of the majority of you I fail to understand why you should automatically take the view that I am (in your own words) winding you up. I have been open and receptive to your views and opinions...and greatful for your reasonable advice but I must admit that being told that I should in some opinions be better working for Tesco's seems to be a bit of a put down. I may not be qualified to the extent that most of you seem to be and I may not have the extensive experience that others claim to have but I try to do the best i can with what I have, if I fail to impress some then I apologise to you all for this but I think you must all know that we can't all be Einstein. I any on this site are willing to give constructive and useful advice then I will be dreadful for this but please cease the put downs it's beginning to feel like a bunch of school bullies.

 

[Mike Johnson]

If you click on anyones Avatar the option to "Ignore" will appear in the middle bottom of the drop down, if you then click on it you will then no longer see that persons post, but it does make it a bit of a nonsense when others you don't wish to ignore quote that persons messages.

 

[westward10]

Whilst I understand that my way of doing things does not accord with the views of the majority of you I fail to understand why you should automatically take the view that I am (in your own words) winding you up. I have been open and receptive to your views and opinions...and greatful for your reasonable advice but I must admit that being told that I should in some opinions be better working for Tesco's seems to be a bit of a put down. I may not be qualified to the extent that most of you seem to be and I may not have the extensive experience that others claim to have but I try to do the best i can with what I have, if I fail to impress some then I apologise to you all for this but I think you must all know that we can't all be Einstein. I any on this site are willing to give constructive and useful advice then I will be dreadful for this but please cease the put downs it's beginning to feel like a bunch of school bullies.

Brian if you feel you are being bullied then hit Report at the bottom of the post and let staff deal with it. I think this thread has well and truly run its course and is now closed.