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If you’re on a job which involves things like just replacing light fittings and odds and sods on different circuits for the same client, is there a MWC that can cater for more than one set of circuit tests rather than doing separate certs for each circuit?
 
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If you’re on a job which involves things like just replacing light fittings and odds and sods on different circuits for the same client, is there a MWC that can cater for more than one set of circuit tests rather than doing separate certs for each circuit?
Yes 3 I believe
 

Andy78

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Yes these exist and I see no problem with using something that is not exactly the model form.
You could always use an EIC for multiple works too. do you currently use any certification software ?
 

Midwest

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Or you could (tin hat on here) just put a Zs and RCD test results on your invoice. What tests would you carry out otherwise? Save some trees.
 

Andy78

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Or you could (tin hat on here) just put a Zs and RCD test results on your invoice. What tests would you carry out otherwise? Save some trees.
Quite a bit more info than that should be recorded if recording anything at all, especially over multiple circuits.
If you wanted to put two tin hats on you could say that the work described in the OP could be classed as maintenance and not require any certification.
 

FatAlan

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At the moment I’m just using the ELECSA system, but interesting as Andy78 has commented above. Clients seem to like the idea of some sort of certificate probably because the question about electrical work seems to come up more regularly now with house sales,
 

Andy78

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At the moment I’m just using the ELECSA system, but interesting as Andy78 has commented above. Clients seem to like the idea of some sort of certificate probably because the question about electrical work seems to come up more regularly now with house sales,
My software has a 5 circuit MWC. That's Tysoft easycert but you'd need to fork out for the full package.
If you look up electraform it's a web based cert system with no subscriptions, just pay £1 per cert and they have a multi circuit MWC.
 

Midwest

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Quite a bit more info than that should be recorded if recording anything at all, especially over multiple circuits.
If you wanted to put two tin hats on you could say that the work described in the OP could be classed as maintenance and not require any certification.
Say what. So either or neither.
 

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Or you could (tin hat on here) just put a Zs and RCD test results on your invoice. What tests would you carry out otherwise? Save some trees.
Can't see owt wrong with that, if it's changing like for like.
 

Midwest

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At the moment I’m just using the ELECSA system, but interesting as Andy78 has commented above. Clients seem to like the idea of some sort of certificate probably because the question about electrical work seems to come up more regularly now with house sales,
You can do whatever floats their boat; BS7671 suggests using a Minor Works for replacing a luminaire. Your estate agent might like that documentation, Mrs Miggins I think wouldn't care a monkies.
 

Andy78

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Say what. So either or neither.
Yes. If you like.
 

FatAlan

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You can do whatever floats their boat; BS7671 suggests using a Minor Works for replacing a luminaire. Your estate agent might like that documentation, Mrs Miggins I think wouldn't care a monkies.
Ms Miggins, barrister with one of the central London chambers down in this neck of the woods o_O Still, I could also talk serious fraud and money laundering.
 

Midwest

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Ms Miggins, barrister with one of the central London chambers down in this neck of the woods o_O Still, I could also talk serious fraud and money laundering.
Funnily enough, I got called out by one of those guys on a Sunday afternoon, in their country house. He drilled through a cable putting up a shelf. Socket was right below the shelf :D
 

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Icertifi software do a 3 circuit MW certificate...
 
Replacing lights or socket faceplates etc, no cert required
Good to know that I'm not the only one who doesn't issue certs for replacing a light or socket faceplate. Some issue a cert for replacing a plastic light switch which is ridiculous in my opinion. Perhaps some think a house owner will issue themselves with a minor works cert when they replace a plastic light switch😀.
 

Midwest

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Replacing lights or socket faceplates etc, no cert required
Not what BS7671 suggests, so I don't think thats a statement of fact. I can understand why some choose to use a MW in certain circumstances for the replacement of accessories or luminaires.
 

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Minor works cert regardless of being needed or not seems to keep some customers happy...costs nothing and takes 2 mins 😁
 

FatAlan

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Must admit if you replace a socket or light the bare minimum you would at least do is Zs. It does then open the can of worms that a vast number of domestic lighting circuits won’t be RCD protected. Would this have to be seen as a departure on the MWC if not should you refuse to do the work unless RCD is added? Will go down like a ton of lead with customers.
 
The guidance in the OSG is that MEIW certs are for alterations and additions where the circuit characteristics are likely to have been altered. The wording in the BBB is '...may be used for the replacement of equipment...', I take the word 'may' literally, ie only expressing possibility.

This leads me to conclude that I don't need to issue a cert for replacing a light or socket, which is convenient for me as I detest paperwork in all its forms.
 

Midwest

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Must admit if you replace a socket or light the bare minimum you would at least do is Zs. It does then open the can of worms that a vast number of domestic lighting circuits won’t be RCD protected. Would this have to be seen as a departure on the MWC if not should you refuse to do the work unless RCD is added? Will go down like a ton of lead with customers.
Not done my 18th, but I do recall reading someone saying guidance from the Schemes suggest the new reg for RCD protection on lighting circuits, does not apply to installation of luminaries to existing fixed wiring, i.e. replacing ceiling rose with new luminarie.
 

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