PAT Testing. Equipment register.

[martinbebb]

Just started PAT Testing and have been out to my first pitch. I was able to see what items had been tested and whether it was a visual or combined inspection and test.
The following question has arisen. Due to new items being bought since the last scheduled visit.
Who is responsible for Putting New items on the company equipment register. The company register template that is in the COP forth edition. Form V1 asks for an equipment ID number, location, Equipment description, serial number, and finally frequency of formal visual inspection, and combined inspection and test.
I’ve looked through the COP and electricity at work regulations 1989 and it’s quite ambiguous . Could someone please point me to where it says who is to add a new item to the register. I’m torn between it needing to be me who should put it on or telling the manager he should add it, as it would make buying new items hard as they have to pay a call out fee every time something needs adding to the register.

 

[telectrix]

don't know what the installation is, but IMO, the guy that runs the place is the duty holder and it's his responsibilty to keep records of equipment up to date and schedule any test/inspection required.

 

[martinbebb]

Thanks for that. Would a new item to the premises need at least a formal visual inspection by a pat tester.

 

[Pete999]

Just started PAT Testing and have been out to my first pitch. I was able to see what items had been tested and whether it was a visual or combined inspection and test.
The following question has arisen. Due to new items being bought since the last scheduled visit.
Who is responsible for Putting New items on the company equipment register. The company register template that is in the COP forth edition. Form V1 asks for an equipment ID number, location, Equipment description, serial number, and finally frequency of formal visual inspection, and combined inspection and test.
I’ve looked through the COP and electricity at work regulations 1989 and it’s quite ambiguous . Could someone please point me to where it says who is to add a new item to the register. I’m torn between it needing to be me who should put it on or telling the manager he should add it, as it would make buying new items hard as they have to pay a call out fee every time something needs adding to the register.

The Duty holder of the firm/client you have been employed to test equipment is duty bound to give you an up to date register of ALL the items that require testing, it's not your responsibility to provide a register, unless specifically asked to do so at an extra cost to testing. If you are doing these tests then I would suggest you invest in the CoP for ISITEE, it's all in there in black and white.

 

[westward10]

He has the CoP, read #1.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks for that. Would a new item to the premises need at least a formal visual inspection by a pat tester.

The Duty holder would need to add any new equipment to the equipment register.

 

[Pete999]

He has the CoP, read #1.

Well he can't have read it in any depth if he is asking all these questions, can he?

 

[martinbebb]

I'm reading the COP now from cover to cover. Just thought I'd ask if anyone could point me to the section that covers this.
I'm back and forth on this topic between the COP and the electricity at work regulations 1989. The parts I've read are as I've mentioned quite ambiguous. And quite contrary to itself.

 

[westward10]

New equipment should be able to go straight into service with routine checks carried out by the user prior to use.

 

[Pete999]

New equipment should be able to go straight into service with routine checks carried out by the user prior to use.

Agree but the Duty holder needs to add it to the register prior to being put into use.

 

[Pete999]

Agree but the Duty holder needs to add it to the register prior to being put into use.

Think I had better exit from this discussion, incase I get a warning

 

[martinbebb]

Thanks for the answers.
has pointed me in the correct direction. The manager/duty holder had questions that I said I'd get definitive answers for. Like I said I'm reading the literature, but just wanted a little help with this one topic. So I could answer the question.

 

[Deleted member 105166]

Martin, as you are doing this as your main job, it may help if you take the 2377-32 exam as well, this covers the management side

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I don’t think it really matters who adds it to the Register.
Obviously adding it at the time of purchase is better than waiting until someone comes to test it.

 

[martinbebb]

Ok thanks. I’m not actually doing any testing at the moment. I have a job already. I’m trying to find my feet first. I don’t have any actually PAT Testing work until November, That’s when the next test are due on this job, so I have until then to be actually ready.

 

[pirate]

A company should appoint a controller. He or she is the person who decides inter alia on the frequency of tests and the items to be tested.
Most controllers have this thrust upon them, and accept the post reluctantly, thus they employ you to do the work...and, if you choose to accept the mission, advise them accordingly. If you accept that mission, you must be extra diligent, and of course charge more for that responsibility. That is the happy, perfect scenario...but most companies just want stickers on everything... and if you bin that dodgy extension lead from the big river, they will dig it out of the bin as soon as you are back in your van.
One day, not long ago, I saw that ny routine visit to one office had been usurped...she told me that a new guy had come along last week and did the job for half my price, and she was sorry but she had forgotten to cancel me.
I shrugged, and went two doors down to Greggs for a coffee...where, in the queue, an employee of the office told me that the boss had simply bought a roll of "Pass" stickers from a well-known store, and stuck them on everything..."because they are working fine"...

In every job I have had in my life, I always hear the same refrain from those who believe in doing a proper job...
"I mean...you try to help someone........"
Little wonder that we often just give up...

 

[pirate]

Thanks Ruston!
Just getting that in there before my post gets deleted like the other one in a PA testing thread did a few minutes ago!
Apparently, it was a rant...my behind! It was the truth! Plenty of folks rant on here!
If it wasn't for the fact I am enjoying the sun here so much I would take it up with the mods...but what's the point?

Quite a few have left this forum because of suffering censorship of validly held views, and the forum is a poorer place for that.

 

[ruston]

Your post is still showing on my PC . It has not been deleted as far as I can see.

 

[pirate]

It was in the other thread "PAT testing needed?"

 

[ruston]

Ah . Ok . I'm a bit slower than usual today lol.

 

[pirate]

HaHa! Me too!
I just moved house in UK, which was horrendous, but now in sunny Spain in 28 degrees and sunny, relaxing for the first time in weeks.
I guess I get slower as I get older...
LOL!

 

[ruston]

Are you near Quesada?

 

[pirate]

Interestingly, I get quite a few PAT enquiries here as some folks buy secondhand electrical stuff...and it has just occurred to me that, joke coming< most of them are...

expats!

Sorry...couldn't resist it!

 

[pirate]

No, not near Quesada, although I have spent some time around Granada, Murcia, Cartagena area in a former life. I am in Menorca...and it's very quiet, which is nice. However, I love Granada and the Alpujarras region.

 

[pirate]

What is your connection to Quesada?

 

[ruston]

I have family in Quesada , but not full time now , they gave that up , something to do with a change in residency laws.

 

[pirate]

Ah, pity...but I hear this a lot...not unconnected with Brexit, I believe. Problems everywhere here too, especially with the new laws on rentals for holidays. One family I know have had to sell up as they can no longer rent out their farmhouse, so they have no income...shame, really, given they spent all that income in the local shops and businesses which really need the money...however, I will stop there, in case this is seen as a rant!

 

[ackbarthestar]

.... you can stick the green stickers on but if you stick a green sticker on something that should have had a red sticker on then prepare yourself with a bucket load of KY jelly ... so they say...

 

[pirate]

Best not to stick a red one on...remove it!
Unless it's a very expensive bit of kit, naturally.
Then I need to get an electrician in!

 

[ackbarthestar]

Best not to stick a red one on...remove it!
Unless it's a very expensive bit of kit, naturally.
Then I need to get an electrician in!

Anything you remove from service will need to be logged and either fixed or permenantly disposed of. Knowing how some of these companies operate that rejected item will find its way back into the system and you'll end up carrying the can unless you have showed due process.