Plumbers are great!!!

[NDG Elecs]

HHD, put a disclaimer on your paperwork. Something along the lines of care will be taken etc but occasionally problems do arise which are hitherto unknown, and these are, or may be, chargeable.
If the plumber wasn't there at the time I probably still wouldn't have bothered with my insurance. After the pipe was fixed it is easy enough to replace a bit of the ceiling below and get a plasterer in to skim. Obviously it depends on the extent of the damage etc.

My biggest gaff was hole sawing a couple of millimetres in to the main incoming gas supply. That could have worked out bad!! I also had a plumber on site at the time who sorted it. Still don't like them though!!

 

[Midwest]

HHD, put a disclaimer on your paperwork. Something along the lines of care will be taken etc but occasionally problems do arise which are hitherto unknown, and these are, or may be, chargeable.
If the plumber wasn't there at the time I probably still wouldn't have bothered with my insurance. After the pipe was fixed it is easy enough to replace a bit of the ceiling below and get a plasterer in to skim. Obviously it depends on the extent of the damage etc.
QUOTE]

That wasn't my experience, with the repair of the damage. In my case, the escaping water was from the central heating system, and therefore oxidised or whatever.

The ceiling was damaged in various places, and some marks on the floor. I had considered repairs myself, but decided to use my insurance company. I'm glad I did.

My client made a claim for whole ceiling replacement, complete redecoration of the room, replacement of three piece suite (as they couldn't obtain similar), replacement of carpet. They also wanted compensation, for inconvenience etc.

Arrival of loss adjuster. Agreement was made on ceiling being repaired and redecorated. Armchair & carpet professionally cleaned. I finished off my work FOC, and replaced the CH 3 port valve FOC, which went faulty two weeks later and my client insisted was as a result of the draining down of the system.

I'm probably paying higher PL fees to date, but I think I would of had a higher repair bill, if I hadn't involved the insurance company. It depends on who your dealing with, as the customer is always right

 

[NDG Elecs]

Ouch! On your occasion insurance for was the correct way. Out of interest Mid what was the excess, and what does your PLI cost now? It would be good to know for future reference what the impact of making a claim is.

 

[Squid]

being as how plumbers are mainly using plastic, i don't see why they shouldn't drill joists >2" deep and thread pipe through.

Trouble is the ends/connectors/seals can degrade over time the plumber I used for my build said he only uses copper.

 

[Midwest]

Ouch! On your occasion insurance for was the correct way. Out of interest Mid what was the excess, and what does your PLI cost now? It would be good to know for future reference what the impact of making a claim is.

Think the excess was £100, and from what I've seen others getting their PL for, guess I'm paying £100 a year more. The claim is notifiable for 5 years, so I'll saved in the long run.

 

[NDG Elecs]

My PLI is around £80 I think, bit hard to tell as the policy also cover indemnity and tools cover.
So after five years you have probably paid around £600 more? Good to know for future reference. Cheers.

 

[Midwest]

Sorry my post got wrapped up with NDG post, so here it is again for clarity.

That wasn't my experience, with the repair of the damage. In my case, the escaping water was from the central heating system, and therefore oxidised or whatever.

The ceiling was damaged in various places, and some marks on the floor. I had considered repairs myself, but decided to use my insurance company. I'm glad I did.

My client made a claim for whole ceiling replacement, complete redecoration of the room, replacement of three piece suite (as they couldn't obtain similar), replacement of carpet. They also wanted compensation, for inconvenience etc.

Arrival of loss adjuster. Agreement was made on ceiling being repaired and redecorated. Armchair & carpet professionally cleaned. I finished off my work FOC, and replaced the CH 3 port valve FOC, which went faulty two weeks later and my client insisted was as a result of the draining down of the system.

I'm probably paying higher PL fees to date, but I think I would of had a higher repair bill, if I hadn't involved the insurance company. It depends on who your dealing with, as the customer is always right

 

[Rpa07]

Found this right in the middle of a lounge wall in a builders built house of fun! Doing an accessory to accessory RFC extension and had to negotiate the dot and dabs, if it hadn't have snapped my pilot on the hole saw I wouldn't have thought something was amiss and would just have carried on. Strong material I'm glad to say - no harm done thank the Lord.
Rude though - had to change my route!

Damn that reminds me as I need to restore my Fathers 18" Record monkey wrench must be over 50 years old now.

I have many of my dads tools used everyday that are 50 or 60 years old - engineering style tools that never wear, King Dick, Diamond, Bluepoint and now being on commercial I get to use my Snap on stuff from the late 80s.

Good idea - even if having them means you'll never need them

That's called insurance, when you got it you don't get things go wrong but when they do, you are covered by a higher power - much like my Faith!

 

[telectrix]

had a similar customer years ago. insisted on replacement carpets throughout groung floor ( could not match pattern) although the water damage was easily rectified by cleaning. he insisted that the carpet was beyond repair as the water had inhibitor in it. the only thing beyond repair was all round all the corners where his cat had clawed it to bits.

 

[NDG Elecs]

King dick is a blast from the past! I recall having them as a kid in my bike repair box!

 

[Andy78]

King dick is a blast from the past! I recall having them as a kid in my bike repair box!

I used to have a large king dick but don't know where it went. It would look good next to my ding dong.

 

[Andy78]

Just for clarification, my ding dong is cast hacksaw frame

 

[telectrix]

 

[Rpa07]

Or -

 

[Wilko]

Found this right in the middle of a lounge wall in a builders built house of fun! Doing an accessory to accessory RFC extension and had to negotiate the dot and dabs, if it hadn't have snapped my pilot on the hole saw I wouldn't have thought something was amiss and would just have carried on. Strong material I'm glad to say - no harm done thank the Lord. !

On the theme of water works and just so you lot don't think it's all beer and skittles here in TT land, how's this for a close call? I started with my big drill but thought the better of it and proceeded by hand - lucky lucky . I haven't measured Ra yet but I was 'this close' to making it a lot lower

 

[Rpa07]

That looks like an established path that would have needed to be lifted - nice miss!
Now - howz about some bets on that Ra!

 

[Marti]

Good idea - even if having them means you'll never need them

Watching a TED Talk the other day along these lines. The speaker's presentation was that any stressful situation is made worse because we are required to deliver our best decision in our worst frame of mind. Where as a problem anticipated gives us the chance to deal with it; such as Wilko's Kibosh kits in the van.

Thanks for all the advice guys

 

[GlenTavener]

Guilty, cut through one pipe, saw one in the partition needed to drill through, didn't see the second one, cols fed from huge tank in roof. Rushed up there no stop cocks, called out for owner, he was in another wing of house, just had to leave it to find him. Him and wife came onto landing he saying yes stop cocks not in usual place, not in loft at tank but in airing cupboard on landing. Water inches deep under floor pouring down through chandelier below, they having recently gone into bed and breakfast the good lady gave me the dirty towels waiting to be washed. Thick Egyptian cotton really do soak it up! Water now stopped draining away, right he said we need a cup of tea come on lets not panic, he a retired major. So we had a cup of tea I said I could deal with it and did. Ceiling dried out and I completed the minor thing I started to do. At the end they asked how much, I said nothing I couldn't possibly charge and refused to take payment. Next day they put £50 through my letterbox and thanked me for my work. I have always been blessed with meeting some really top people and in return I try to behave as they did when my apprentices got something wrong. No one intends to wreck things but sometimes it just happens.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Best way to access boarded floors. No guarantee against pipes although I've not hit one yet with this tool

What is this wizardry?

 

[ED17]

I've just ordered a couple of kibosh kits to keep in the van. I once asked the spark I was working with to put the floorboards back on the landing. He did, by putting screws in the middle of the board over the pipe runs! Good job it was an empty house.

 

[telectrix]

What is this wizardry?

it cuts a hole with a recessed lip. after diong your bit, you plug the holewith the armeg plug.google armeg board cutter.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

it cuts a hole with a recessed lip. after diong your bit, you plug the holewith the armeg plug.google armeg board cutter.

I barely do any house bashing, the only thing stopping me adding sockets in my house is the flooring. This is a game changer! The Mrs will finally stop moaning at me to add sockets!! She can have sockets galore!

 

[Rpa07]

@ChrisElectrical88 just know that it can't be used in the middle of your laminate floor or even half way across the Axminster - the wife would have something else to moan about then!

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

The laminate flooring for the bedroom is still in the garage... it's been there 2 years...... I told her I couldn't do it till the sockets were done... I told her the sockets couldn't be done till I bought a circular saw and a new sds drill... she said we could afford these.

I always have excuses.

 

[Midwest]

I barely do any house bashing, the only thing stopping me adding sockets in my house is the flooring. This is a game changer! The Mrs will finally stop moaning at me to add sockets!! She can have sockets galore!

They aren't cheap mind. I sometimes just cut a hole, install a batten, and reinstate chipboard circle. (Cheapskate )

 

[Rpa07]

I guess that the extra money buys you 'that lip' that will give the floor the strength to be stood on again - clever chaps and good design but they own it (and us!)

 

[Midwest]

I guess that the extra money buys you 'that lip' that will give the floor the strength to be stood on again - clever chaps and good design but they own it (and us!)

Two bits of 2x1 has better strength

 

[telectrix]

what you need to be wary of, of course, is wet-pants's pipes tight under the flooring. my method is to drill a pilot hole carefully off centre of where you want the larger hole to be, enlarge pilot hole enough to get a boroscope in. search for pipes with said boroscope, then if all clear, a 4" hole. and as midwest's post. refit the cut out piece on a batten, using screws so it's re-enterable.

 

[telectrix]

super rod do similar bit of kit.
Super Rod Cavity Master Kit - http://www.NoLinkingToThis/p/super-rod-cavity-master-kit/85585?kpid=85585&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%2520Listing%2520Ads-_-Sales%2520Tracking-_-sales%2520tracking%2520url&gclid=Cj0KCQjwktHLBRDsARIsAFBSb6za8QAx2xyLv56D5PzvW3ZX94XLjgQdap2hjoR7-VzR1tsD86rCH2caAggHEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CI73v5WTn9UCFc2xUQod70kJ9g

Ace In The Hole-Super Rod Limited-Cable Installation Tools-Tools for Electricians - http://www.super-rod.co.uk/media/press-clippings/ace-in-the-hole.html

 

[Andy78]

If you're going to buy one of these cutters @ChrisElectrical88 don't go cheap.
I bought the silverline one from Toolstation to save pennies. The plugs were about 4mm smaller diameter than the hole so they rattled about, and were about 3mm lower down that the board surface. I took it back.

My mate bought the Armeg version in a kit and it is spot on.

The plugs should be about £2 each

Be aware that there are 2 sizes, 111mm and 127mm

This is a decent price for the 111mm set.
Armeg SBC111SET Carbide Solid Board Cutter Set 111mm, SBC111SET - http://www.discount-electrical.co.uk/product.php/391318333/armeg-sbc111set-carbide-solid-board-cutter-set-111mm

 

[Squid]

I barely do any house bashing, the only thing stopping me adding sockets in my house is the flooring. This is a game changer! The Mrs will finally stop moaning at me to add sockets!! She can have sockets galore!

How long have you been married for, she'll just find something else to moan about.

 

[Midwest]

The only issue with these devices, is the joists always run in the wrong direction, and chipboard can end up looking like Swiss cheese.