Regulations

[jase158]

SO back to the OP:

Do you have the latest copy of the regs, OSG and relevant guidance notes?
Do you have a calibrated tester?
Does your PL insurance cover doing electrics?

No, No And No- but that is my point do you need all that for minor works?
If its not notifiable then why would you need all that?

 

[Taylortwocities]

Because you need to test your work before you fire it up. We don't just run the cable and switch on to see if it works. Is that what you would do with a gas installation?

It must be ok if it doesn't go bang?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I usually get someone else to switch it on, while I hide round the corner.

 

[Andy78]

No, No And No- but that is my point do you need all that for minor works?
If its not notifiable then why would you need all that?

Because testing of an alteration ensures it complies with the wiring regs, which in turn should ensure safety of the circuit for continued use. All new work, no matter how small, notifiable or not, should be tested.

 

[jase158]

Because you need to test your work before you fire it up. We don't just run the cable and switch on to see if it works. Is that what you would do with a gas installation?

It must be ok if it doesn't go bang?

It is with wet plumbing!!
What I mean is, why do you need minor works certificate? does it help sell the house? is it a legal requirement, is it required by solicitors when selling or is it just something you give customer?
Who reads the certificate?

 

[Andy78]

It is with wet plumbing!!
What I mean is, why do you need minor works certificate? does it help sell the house? is it a legal requirement, is it required by solicitors when selling or is it just something you give customer?
Who reads the certificate?

The certificate is a record and proof that the alteration has been done to the wiring regs. The issuing of a certificate is a requirement of the regs in itself. Interested parties may include solicitors, insurance agents, estate agents, potential buyers etc.

 

[SparkyChick]

All electrical work should comply with BS 7671. BS 7671 requires specified electrical work to be accompanied by a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, so to comply you should provide one. Simpless.

And I believe the EAWR stipulate you should keep records of the installation for the life of the installation. Records that include details of the work carried out on it. That would include MEIWCs.

 

[jase158]

So the best I can do is remove floorboards, chase walls, drill holes in joists.
Why are some NICEIC member approved and some not? is it because they pay more for extra assessments?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Different types of work.
Domestic, commercial, industrial etc.

 

[Des 56]

I read often that the Yanks swear by the Bang test
They sent a man to the Moon,if it was us we would still be filing the paperwork for the launch

 

[mattg4321]

Nearly persuaded myself not to reply, but I'm biting.

Not sure if this fella is trolling or not but in the nicest way I can put this, assuming he isn't.

You've been banging on about how dangerous incompetent gas work is all through this thread yet you're contemplating doing your own electrical work even though you're clearly incompetent.

Why wouldn't you go out and earn some money gas fitting to pay for a sparks to do the work at your place properly and safely. You've admitted you don't even have test kit.

You mention in you're first post that 'you can do electrics'. How on earth have you come to that conclusion. Maybe you once successfully changed the batteries in your tv remote?!

 

[jase158]

I read often that the Yanks swear by the Bang test
They sent a man to the Moon,if it was us we would still be filing the paperwork for the launch

Ha ha- so true
1961 Russia send first man into space
2016 UK send first British astronaut into space- Only 65 years of paperwork

 

[Andy78]

Ha ha- so true
1961 Russia send first man into space
2016 UK send first British astronaut into space- Only 65 years of paperwork

1991 was the first British astronaut.

 

[Des 56]

Legally (only) carried out Electrical work in the UK is awash with the quantity of often meaningless forms and paperwork

I complained to the IET,they told me to put it in writing

 

[jase158]

Nearly persuaded myself not to reply, but I'm biting.

Not sure if this fella is trolling or not but in the nicest way I can put this, assuming he isn't.

You've been banging on about how dangerous incompetent gas work is all through this thread yet you're contemplating doing your own electrical work even though you're clearly incompetent.

Why wouldn't you go out and earn some money gas fitting to pay for a sparks to do the work at your place properly and safely. You've admitted you don't even have test kit.

You mention in you're first post that 'you can do electrics'. How on earth have you come to that conclusion. Maybe you once successfully changed the batteries in your tv remote?!

There is always one- that has to make things personal.
I just want to understand the regulations because If you read part P of the regulations it implies that it is ok to do it yourself.
TBH I have at times thought the same myself- we dont give the Gas safety certificates to the building control but it is still a requirement on rented properties. But i wanted to confirm what a Minor works certificate is and not just "assume"
I also wanted to get electricians thoughts and feelings on the regulations and the rules.
When I have asked friends and family I get varying opinions on what the rules state and I am someone who likes to go by facts not rumors.

Why wouldn't I go and do some gas work to pay for electrician?
Maybe because most electricians I know charge £400+ per day, I charge £200 per day, so I would like to save as much as possible!

And finally I can make an informed decision on the best way to go forward.
(perhaps this is the reason for this forum)

How have I come to the conclusion "I can do "basic" electrics" perhaps it is the amount of poorly fitted wiring centers that I have had to take all wires out and re do after an electrician has done it.
Perhaps it is the boilers that I have had to connect as the electrician refuses to connect the flex to the fused spur! Even though they have been contracted to rewire whole house. Or perhaps it is The electric showers that I have had to install as the electrician thinks its "too small" a job!

And on that note I am leaving before I get kicked off, thanks to everyone for the posts and advice. I will definitely be getting an electrician in!

 

[Octopus]

£400 per day. They are pulling your chain

 

[Midwest]

Blimey missed this one. Last Gas Safe plumber I worked with, was charging an hour, for what I was charging for a day. So some anomalies here

Re the DIY gas thing. Last time I read up on that, was sure you can connect your own gas hob up if your 'competent', but somewhere in the Gas 'Regs', competence is defined as having the same qualifications as those plumbers that are Gas Safe registered. So they've got that one nicely sorted.