Some pics from a FULL rewire.

[Geordie Spark]

Luckily, where I live the hard lads actually care about their work and would take a very dim view of this sort of thing

Oh yes .... I do!! :yes:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yee knaa wot thi say aboot shy bairns bonny lad

Oh aye ....:smilewinkgrin:

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I know mate, I liken it to an old style communist state where no one dares to contradict the official party line. When a training centre set up their stall on youtube I asked them if they would be prepared to have any of their trainees working in their homes. You should have seen the response, Stalin would have been proud.

hmm...the NIC `politbureau`...

 

[NICEIC ENGINEER]

Dear Forum – as previously stated send us the details and we will investigate.
There is no argument that the work is totally sub-standard but at present there is no evidence that this was carried out by an NICEIC contractor – we cannot investigate without details.
We have been honest and open and come on here to resolve an issue. I have asked for the details so it can be looked into fully and have so far received nothing.
We all have our views on the industry and the various bodies within it, but from what i can see we are the only provider on here trying to resolve an issue.
However, we do need your help in some cases.

Thank You


- - - Updated - - -

Dear Forum – as previously stated send us the details and we will investigate.
There is no argument that the work is totally sub-standard but at present there is no evidence that this was carried out by an NICEIC contractor – we cannot investigate without details.
We have been honest and open and come on here to resolve an issue. I have asked for the details so it can be looked into fully and have so far received nothing.
We all have our views on the industry and the various bodies within it, but from what i can see we are the only provider on here trying to resolve an issue.
However, we do need your help in some cases.

Thank You

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Dodgeing all other posts and just giving us the same old shizzle. Dont worry if people have a nasty injury, at least you have your £500 of us all.

 

[iamelectric]

i dont know if i believe this thread anymore , everytime i look at the pictures i cant believe it was a spark who done the install , the OP wont reply , maybe its a little white lie thats went to far

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Maybe it was the OP's work and he wanted to know how bad it actually was?

 

[miramo]

Christ!

I'm one year left of my 2357 and done the regs exam and even I could do a better job
Dominic Littlewood needs ringing!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Possibly because there are laws which he could be seen to transgress by doing so. Possibly because this other guy has a reputation as a hard lad who will work him over if he thinks he's bad mouthed him publicly. Possibly because he's not 100% that the guy in question is actually responsible or whether it's someone masquerading as him.

Many possible reasons Ayjay, let's just sit this out till we have something concrete to go on eh?

Bloody Hell Trev !!!

That's an extremely well-written post .................. are ye sure yer a Sooth Shields lad??

 

[Octopus]

Dear Forum – as previously stated send us the details and we will investigate.
There is no argument that the work is totally sub-standard but at present there is no evidence that this was carried out by an NICEIC contractor – we cannot investigate without details.
We have been honest and open and come on here to resolve an issue. I have asked for the details so it can be looked into fully and have so far received nothing.
We all have our views on the industry and the various bodies within it, but from what i can see we are the only provider on here trying to resolve an issue.
However, we do need your help in some cases.

Thank You


- - - Updated - - -

Dear Forum – as previously stated send us the details and we will investigate.
There is no argument that the work is totally sub-standard but at present there is no evidence that this was carried out by an NICEIC contractor – we cannot investigate without details.
We have been honest and open and come on here to resolve an issue. I have asked for the details so it can be looked into fully and have so far received nothing.
We all have our views on the industry and the various bodies within it, but from what i can see we are the only provider on here trying to resolve an issue.
However, we do need your help in some cases.

Thank You

So with my positive head on, does this mean that if we professionals report "other" sparks, the NICEIC will investigate and not say you can't unless the home owner complains?

 

[trev]

Bloody Hell Trev !!!

That's an extremely well-written post .................. are ye sure yer a Sooth Shields lad??

Born in Princess Margaret (or was it Princess Mary, I can't remember I was just a baby at the time) hospital in Newcastle mate because of complications the aad doll had but dragged up in Shields definitely.

 

[Marvo]

So with my positive head on, does this mean that if we professionals report "other" sparks, the NICEIC will investigate and not say you can't unless the home owner complains?

Well it sounds like the NICEIC ENGINEER is going to investigate this one if info is forthcoming and has invited you to report others. I assume they'd only be able to investigate their own members so maybe try it and let us know what happens.

 

[moospark]

Princess Mary was in Jesmond, makes you a canny posh sand dancer! My was daughter born there in '89, just before it closed.

 

[Hawkmoon]

If this is a wind up (which I believe it is) the OP must be quite pleased with himself - 14 pages of irate sparks and even the NIC involved!

Some things just don't ring true to me, e.g. the CU is too 'neat' compared to the rest - would he really have bothered with earth sleeving or bothered to 'dress' the cables? (badly I know). Looks to me like the CU was once reasonable but has been mullered by additions, the 2.5 coming in from the left looks like an add on.

Some of the cables hanging around in connectors (lighting) look like temporary repositioning during building work (we've all seen it) - the meter is mounted within what looks like a brand new cabinet, the crimped cables look like they may have originally been within some kind of enclosure due to perhaps CU relocation - I mean would he have crimped anything when a good a ol' connector block would have done?

I say pffft lol

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Agreed a job to change half a dozen internal light fitting and one external light fitting,turned up this morning, was told the house had been fully rewired 6 months ago by one of them part p electricians..so i had a poke around as u do....View attachment 19841View attachment 19842View attachment 19843View attachment 19844View attachment 19845View attachment 19846View attachment 19847View attachment 19848

I agree. A load of Shiza. BY THE OP! That installation is way older than 6 months. The consumer unit aint that bad. I smell a fish. I can't believe I just read 14 pages of drivel sparky bashing.
And the only ones who the NICEIC should listen to IS the client, not other sparkies grassing each other up.

 

[trev]

Princess Mary was in Jesmond, makes you a canny posh sand dancer! My was daughter born there in '89, just before it closed.

It was that one then, I remember driving past it with the old girl in the car and she was on about it.

 

[Guitarist]

I agree. A load of Shiza. BY THE OP! That installation is way older than 6 months. The consumer unit aint that bad. I smell a fish. I can't believe I just read 14 pages of drivel sparky bashing.
And the only ones who the NICEIC should listen to IS the client, not other sparkies grassing each other up.

Don't agree entirely with that. I live in an area with a mainly elderly population, and they wouldn't dream of complaining about someone's work, however bad it was. It's not about "grassing people up", it's about looking after those who have been ripped off and put into a potentially dangerous situation.

 

[Hawkmoon]

Don't agree entirely with that. I live in an area with a mainly elderly population, and they wouldn't dream of complaining about someone's work, however bad it was. It's not about "grassing people up", it's about looking after those who have been ripped off and put into a potentially dangerous situation.

The problem there though is they could still be exposed to repercussions even if you do the reporting - are you going to be there when psycho-sparky wants to even things up with them?

 

[Englishman]

whats this rubbish.....?
i thought the pics spoke for themselves...
how about a pledge to strike this turnip of your list...full stop.
i heard similar nonsense eminating from tony Cable`s mouth the other week when i was talking to him....
about how Part p had made the industry a whole lot better, safer etc....
what a load of old crap....

scams: bin em

5 week courses: bin em

silly on line guess exams: bin em

replace with a national register of qualified, competant electricians....no proper quals attained at college whilst undergoing sustained on site training (such as an apprenticeship)....then you aint coming in.....end of.

Basically jib then. Plenty of sparks have gone through college (proper city and guilds) out of employment and only gained it when qualified. Not all are cowboys. Also, getting apprenticeships when you're not 16-17 is neither easy or really workable.

If you're good enough and learn quick enough, you can pick up as much as a 3 year apprentice in a year if you're not being treated as one and thrown in at the deep end.

 

[Geordie Spark]

It was that one then, I remember driving past it with the old girl in the car and she was on about it.

So you were born in Jesmond then?

That makes you almost a Yuppie - NOT a Sand Dancer at all !!

 

[Englishman]

If this is a wind up (which I believe it is) the OP must be quite pleased with himself - 14 pages of irate sparks and even the NIC involved!

Some things just don't ring true to me, e.g. the CU is too 'neat' compared to the rest - would he really have bothered with earth sleeving or bothered to 'dress' the cables? (badly I know). Looks to me like the CU was once reasonable but has been mullered by additions, the 2.5 coming in from the left looks like an add on.

Some of the cables hanging around in connectors (lighting) look like temporary repositioning during building work (we've all seen it) - the meter is mounted within what looks like a brand new cabinet, the crimped cables look like they may have originally been within some kind of enclosure due to perhaps CU relocation - I mean would he have crimped anything when a good a ol' connector block would have done?

I say pffft lol

First thing I thought when looking at ther pictures is "the CU isn't actually that bad" not perfect by any means but considering the rest of the work, It's ****ing superb.

 

[Guitarist]

The problem there though is they could still be exposed to repercussions even if you do the reporting - are you going to be there when psycho-sparky wants to even things up with them?

We could say that about anything though. Where do we draw the line about what is acceptable, just in case of repercussions?

 

[Octopus]

We could say that about anything though. Where do we draw the line about what is acceptable, just in case of repercussions?

If the reported work is shoddy, and on inspection by the relevent "body" is confirmed to be shoddy and has to be made good, why should there be repercussions?

Shoddy, poor work needs to be inspected and those guilty of such installations made to improve.

Where this falls down is where said people get kicked out and then there is nobody to report them too except LABC or trading standards and they have neither the knowledge or expertise to do this properly.

 

[trev]

So you were born in Jesmond then?

That makes you almost a Yuppie - NOT a Sand Dancer at all !!

So by that "logic" a dog born in a stable is almost a horse?

 

[tony mc]

The guy who carried this lot out trades a few miles from myself and is NICEIC domestic installer and approved contractor,(i checked the register cos i couldnt beleive it!!) left no paper work etc..i only hope he reads this forum,he might go back and finish it off .....

Post 9 NICEIC ENGINEER have you sent ZEDESS a PM to obtain the information re this so called installer and the details of the poor customer !

 

[Hawkmoon]

We could say that about anything though. Where do we draw the line about what is acceptable, just in case of repercussions?

I agree the repercussion issue is low risk but still a risk nonetheless (you never know who you are dealing with)
Also you would be going against the wishes of this elderly couple by reporting it - what right do you have to do that? Are you saying that over a certain age people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves?

 

[Octopus]

How could a rewire "include" red and black cable - surely a rewire should mean a rewire!

 

[Eddiesparks]

That looks like a nice job to me. Hard to find any faults there ...

 

[Guitarist]

I agree the repercussion issue is low risk but still a risk nonetheless (you never know who you are dealing with)
Also you would be going against the wishes of this elderly couple by reporting it - what right do you have to do that? Are you saying that over a certain age people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves?

You know that's not what I'm saying, so don't twist my words. Next time someone cuts you up in a car, make sure you don't sound your horn, just in case there are repercussions.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I agree the repercussion issue is low risk but still a risk nonetheless (you never know who you are dealing with)
Also you would be going against the wishes of this elderly couple by reporting it - what right do you have to do that? Are you saying that over a certain age people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves?

depends if they smell of wee or not....

 

[flyingsausage]

Agreed a job to change half a dozen internal light fitting and one external light fitting,turned up this morning, was told the house had been fully rewired 6 months ago by one of them part p electricians..so i had a poke around as u do....View attachment 19841View attachment 19842View attachment 19843View attachment 19844View attachment 19845View attachment 19846View attachment 19847View attachment 19848

What I don't understand in most cases like this is why does the customer pay them the final money before they are happy with the installation.?
A cowboy is not going to come back to this after he has got his cash,he is away to make another dangerous installation elsewhere.

 

[Silly Sausage]

What I don't understand in most cases like this is why does the customer pay them the final money before they are happy with the installation.?

Because 99% of the population doesn't have a clue!!! If it works...

 

[Geordie Spark]

So by that "logic" a dog born in a stable is almost a horse?

Woof Woof!! :bowwow::wink_smile:

 

[Hawkmoon]

First thing I thought when looking at ther pictures is "the CU isn't actually that bad" not perfect by any means but considering the rest of the work, It's ****ing superb.

Also if you notice he left the wiring in that horrendous state yet took the time to carefully connect the rings on separate RCDs - come to think of it why would he even fit a dual RCD board?? lol

 

[Hawkmoon]

You know that's not what I'm saying, so don't twist my words. Next time someone cuts you up in a car, make sure you don't sound your horn, just in case there are repercussions.

hmm but I'm talking about my actions effecting another, not myself -

Think about it, a guy who is going to rip off an elderly couple and leave their wiring in a dangerous state is not exactly going to be an 'upstanding member of the community' is he? So I think it is risk enough to at least consider.

Didn't intend to twist your words, I was responding to your post about elderly 'not wanting to complain' and the need to 'look after' them.

All I'm saying is if I was going to 'grass' another spark it would have to be for something pretty serious and I would have to be in possession of ALL the facts.

Regarding this thread - lets say the old guy gives the OP a contractors name - OP then plasters details all over this forum as some have called for - the contractor comes on here and says 'hang on a minute, I've never even been in that bloke's house' - and its proven later that he's telling the truth! lol

 

[Guitarist]

hmm but I'm talking about my actions effecting another, not myself -

Think about it, a guy who is going to rip off an elderly couple and leave their wiring in a dangerous state is not exactly going to be an 'upstanding member of the community' is he? So I think it is risk enough to at least consider.

Didn't intend to twist your words, I was responding to your post about elderly 'not wanting to complain' and the need to 'look after' them.

All I'm saying is if I was going to 'grass' another spark it would have to be for something pretty serious and I would have to be in possession of ALL the facts.

Regarding this thread - lets say the old guy gives the OP a contractors name - OP then plasters details all over this forum as some have called for - the contractor comes on here and says 'hang on a minute, I've never even been in that bloke's house' - and its proven later that he's telling the truth! lol

I do agree with you to some extent, and in most cases, the installs aren't necessarily going to be dangerous, merely awful. Let's not assume though, that any tradesman who does shoddy work is some diamond geezer who carries a baseball bat around with him/her. I'm sure that the vast majority are cowards out to make as much money as they can.
Let's be honest here, most of us aren't going to get involved with "grassing someone up", unless it's something really serious, as we don't really need the hassle. We put right what we can, and tell the client to call us in future.

 

[Dan]

I'm just bumping some of the older threads in the general electrical forum that had a lot of replies. They might not be current topics, if they're not, just ignore them and they'll soon drop off the list. If you DO wish to add a reply and get the conversation going again, feel free to do so. Your input might help somebody else in the future.