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well I would go with (if this clown is registered with them) contacting the NICEIC send them the photographic evidence & the name of the (used in the loosest term) sparks & also let them know that you are forwarding the details/photos to BBC watch dog's Matt Alwright & the blond (i've got no money) messingers carp program cowboy builders......................bet Mr cable and company do more than the usual response of "take it up with the contractor" .

That work is so so poor it's shocking & to think part P is supposed to stop this carp, I suppose it will if it is left to us sparks to police the industry.
 
A quality install that.i had similar with the nic in my area when some supposedly reputable firm rewired this guys house and it had something like 57 deviations from the regs.
phoned up nic only to get fed the party line of allow the contractor back to fix it or there is nothing we can do for you mr disgruntled.
A joke and not a funny one either. its easy to pick faults in others work but you dont have to be trained to spot that pile of cack is needing ripped out.
 
Why's worse is that if the customer has not taken out the warranty scheme with the scam provider there is a good chance them scam wont be too interested neither.
 
This work is an absolute disgrace, and should never be condoned or left in it's present state!! If this guy is an approved NICEIC contractor then you MUST report this guy to them, (along with Trading Standards), and make it be known to them that you WILL be following it up, if you see nothing is being done!!

Just goes to show that even NICEIC Approved Contractor status these day's doesn't mean a thing!! The only way this is going to STOP, is if you lot stand up for yourselves and report this type of disgraceful work, that is bringing down this industry!! And yet another reason why you're pay scales and labour rates are getting lower and lower.

Anyone that see's such bad/crap installation work should ALWAYS do something about it, especially so when the old or infirm are the victims of these out & out cowboys....
 
Murdoch said:
As the NICEIC are a forum sponsor I've just PM'ed the "person" with a link to this thread.

I'll post the response I get (assuming they respond
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Don't hold you're breath!! lol!!

Are they?? Never seen the logo anywhere on the forum... I can remember someone from NICEIC coming on here trying to convince us that they are the best thing since sliced bread and flying the safety flag!! But that the only time i've seen any contribution from them...
 
Yes agree go to the media and try get it on cowboy builders they will lap this case up... elderly - ill health - dangerous and poor workmanship + no doubt he was stung in the pocket!
 
Engineer54 said:
Don't hold you're breath!! lol!!

Are they?? Never seen the logo anywhere on the forum... I can remember someone from NICEIC coming on here trying to convince us that they are the best thing since sliced bread and flying the safety flag!! But that the only time i've seen any contribution from them...
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Search for user "NICEIC Engineer"
 
darkwood said:
Yes agree go to the media and try get it on cowboy builders they will lap this case up... elderly - ill health - dangerous and poor workmanship + no doubt he was stung in the pocket!
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Seems that's the only way to stop these bloody cowboys. You need to sting these buggers in the pocket, and/or taking away the means to legally apply their trade, they won't pay any attention to anything else....

It's about time these ''Parasitic'' scheme providers and so-called industry company approvers, were made to stand up to the line and take responsibility for those they are so keen on registering to fill the company coffers!!
 
it would be nice to see the niceic having to defend themselves on tv. dom littlewood giving the MD a grilling, asking him why they're prepared to accept underskilled and underqualified people on their schemes.
 
Engineer54 said:
Seems that's the only way to stop these bloody cowboys. You need to sting these buggers in the pocket, and/or taking away the means to legally apply their trade, they won't pay any attention to anything else....

It's about time these ''Parasitic'' scheme providers and so-called industry company approvers, were made to stand up to the line and take responsibility for those they are so keen on registering to fill the company coffers!!
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no eng....
its all about cheap TV.....
nowt gets done....
look how many firms in the past in all walks of life are trading under such n such in the morning....then at lunchtime an amazing transformation takes place....
come the afternoon its a new company....theres the reshuffle (musical chairs)...a few created titles and some new letterheaded paper.....and your off..
windows n doors outfits springs to mind here.....
 
shagbite said:
it would be nice to see the niceic having to defend themselves on tv. dom littlewood giving the MD a grilling, asking him why they're prepared to accept underskilled and underqualified people on their schemes.
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the only thing that little goblin has ever grilled is probably some burgers or summat on his barbeque
then his pixy sidekick mrs titsnteeth goes an the cadge.....
 
Murdoch said:
Maybe all of the contributors to this post should PM the NICEIC Engineer??
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i've just pm'd him. i told him that there is a debate on the forum concerning some appalling workmanship that has seemingly been carried out by one of their contractors, and i suggested that they should investigate it further.

let's keep the pressure on.
 
GLENNSPARK said:
no eng....
its all about cheap TV.....
nowt gets done....
look how many firms in the past in all walks of life are trading under such n such in the morning....then at lunchtime an amazing transformation takes place....
come the afternoon its a new company....theres the reshuffle (musical chairs)...a few created titles and some new letterheaded paper.....and your off..
windows n doors outfits springs to mind here.....
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What i really meant, was that if this brings these guys to the attention of the likes of NICEIC, at least they will (or hopefully) forfeit the ''Approved Contractor'' status and maybe the Part Pee registration.

I know what you mean though, it's so easy in the UK, to close one business name down and start up the following day with a new name. Not so elsewhere though, where a search is usually made of a new business named owner(s) for outstanding debt and court judgements.
Certain criteria is then applied to approval and operating any said new business... About time they applied the same sort of rules in the UK!!
 
Use the freedom of information act to find out how many companies have been kicked out of the NICEIC body for poor workmanship alone ..... ive a feeling this info will be so not forth coming; i bet most are ejected due to subscription issues and not to isolate NICEIC others similiar bodies are the same, considering its a non-profit based entity they really must have some massive overheads considering their reluctance root out their dodgy members, ever increasing fee's and ...i mean if you are told you will be inspected and you get to chose which jobs they are then how can a true picture evolve of your workmanship and competence - its time they had the ability to randomly turn up at short notice and pick and choose the jobs they wish to see not the ones you pick yourself.

Your average Joe public doesn't know anything about the NICEIC but believe the shambles that is the Part P is a valued recognition of competence for an Electrician --- yeah whatever!
Since the introduction of the Part P ive seen an increase of dodgy standards out there especially of so called Part P registered members.... its seems nowadays writing my name on the bog-role holds more ground than been registered in some of these schemes.
 
their nowt but liers, cheats n thieves....all of em!!
and that goes for most of the half arsed so called wannabe 2WW pretend sparkies out there n all....i come across em everyday and i hate the bastids....
none of em know jackshyt....
a danger to themselves....and more importantly other people...
they try asking me for advice when in the wholesalers....
my reply...: f**k off....
 
This issue with the NICEIC is about as stupid as school and hospital inspections - i.e they are told about the inspections in advance so of course it all looks OK.

Randon inspects for members who have been "reported" has to be the way forward, else all us decent chaps will get stuffed!
 
Dear Forum - I have only just come across this forum thanks to someone sending a PM message.

I can assure you NICEIC takes very seriously any complaint made against one of our contractors. If the customer makes a complaint direct we will carry out a full investigation, send out an engineer to do an inspection and, if required, order the contractor to rectify the work to the required standard.

No complaint has been made on this occasion from the customer but if Zeddess would like to PM me the details of the contractor he/she believes carried out the work we can carry out an investigation and speak to the contractor direct if they are found to be at fault.
NICEIC operates the most robust and rigorous qualification for registration requirements in the UK. This includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of a representative sample of the companies work, assessment at their premises to ensure they have documentation and records, employs only competent persons to carry out electrical work, has evidence of required insurances and an, inspection of their equipment and premises. Most importantly, it includes a requirement for regular periodic inspections and assessments of organisations and principle named individuals to ensure standards are continually met.

However, in the same way that theDVLA cannot oversee every journey carried out by those with a driving licence, the NICEIC is not in a position to test every electrical installation itself. The fact that a contractor has been approved to work to best industry standards on assessment cannot, regrettably, rule out the possibility that a contractor, or someone working for them, may be negligent in relation to a specific electrical installation in the future. just as drivers have a duty of care to respect the rules of the road at all times, so do electricians assessed by NICEIC.

If a contractor is found to be guilty of not keeping within the rules and regulations for enrolement, they will be de-registered immediately. Last year we de-registered 518 contractors who failed to meet the strict requirements of enrolment .

I hope this answers some of the forum’s queries and as mentioned will be happy to deal with Zedess’ complaint. I would also urge any other contractors who come across similar incidents to get in touch with NICEIC direct – as we can only act on these issues if we are informed of them. Email [email protected]

Finally, apologies for lack of interaction on the forum lately – NICEIC will endeavor to check and respond, where appropriate, more regularly in the future.


 
Reminds me of the shock-wave going through the hospitals when arranged inspections were dropped for unannounced random inspections...all of a sudden the shocking truth came out as the management couldn't prop up staff and clean the area's ready fo a predetermined inspection thus its found most hospitals were way below their perceived standards..... its time for the NICEIC to bring the same random time/job inspections to ensure all members are of a recognised standard and maybe they will get the stamp of approval they once held for any of there members..... they lost the plot years ago - a NICEIC stamp of approval no longer holds the high level it once did and many questions have to be asked why ...it seems contradictory that a non profit organisation seems more intent on maxing income as oppose to ensuring high standards of its members.

It would be nice to see some input from an NICEIC representative if not from the head management themselves, to explain many of the questions high lighted here and numerous posts over the yrs.

Edit ... written before above responses but still interested to see a response either way how you can expect to route out poor standards by members when they choose where you look .... i know my old boss only took you on my jobs as his other staff did very dodgy things in deed a big contribution to me leaving.

Its akin to playing hide and seek where the seeker is told he can only look in a couple of places out of the hundreds available ...what chance are there of finding anyone unless they were stupid enough to stand in front of them!
 
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After reading through this thread again, I've just had to look at the pictures again, all I can say is Phew what a load of crap lol
 
NICEIC ENGINEER said:
Dear Forum - I have only just come across this forum thanks to someone sending a PM message.

I can assure you NICEIC takes very seriously any complaint made against one of our contractors. If the customer makes a complaint direct we will carry out a full investigation, send out an engineer to do an inspection and, if required, order the contractor to rectify the work to the required standard.

No complaint has been made on this occasion from the customer but if Zeddess would like to PM me the details of the contractor he/she believes carried out the work we can carry out an investigation and speak to the contractor direct if they are found to be at fault.
NICEIC operates the most robust and rigorous qualification for registration requirements in the UK. This includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of a representative sample of the companies work, assessment at their premises to ensure they have documentation and records, employs only competent persons to carry out electrical work, has evidence of required insurances and an, inspection of their equipment and premises. Most importantly, it includes a requirement for regular periodic inspections and assessments of organisations and principle named individuals to ensure standards are continually met.

However, in the same way that theDVLA cannot oversee every journey carried out by those with a driving licence, the NICEIC is not in a position to test every electrical installation itself. The fact that a contractor has been approved to work to best industry standards on assessment cannot, regrettably, rule out the possibility that a contractor, or someone working for them, may be negligent in relation to a specific electrical installation in the future. just as drivers have a duty of care to respect the rules of the road at all times, so do electricians assessed by NICEIC.

If a contractor is found to be guilty of not keeping within the rules and regulations for enrolement, they will be de-registered immediately. Last year we de-registered 518 contractors who failed to meet the strict requirements of enrolment .

I hope this answers some of the forum’s queries and as mentioned will be happy to deal with Zedess’ complaint. I would also urge any other contractors who come across similar incidents to get in touch with NICEIC direct – as we can only act on these issues if we are informed of them. Email [email protected]

Finally, apologies for lack of interaction on the forum lately – NICEIC will endeavor to check and respond, where appropriate, more regularly in the future.
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whats this rubbish.....?
i thought the pics spoke for themselves...
how about a pledge to strike this turnip of your list...full stop.
i heard similar nonsense eminating from tony Cable`s mouth the other week when i was talking to him....
about how Part p had made the industry a whole lot better, safer etc....
what a load of old crap....

scams: bin em

5 week courses: bin em

silly on line guess exams: bin em

replace with a national register of qualified, competant electricians....no proper quals attained at college whilst undergoing sustained on site training (such as an apprenticeship)....then you aint coming in.....end of.
 
NICEIC ENGINEER said:
Dear Forum - I have only just come across this forum thanks to someone sending a PM message.

I can assure you NICEIC takes very seriously any complaint made against one of our contractors. If the customer makes a complaint direct we will carry out a full investigation, send out an engineer to do an inspection and, if required, order the contractor to rectify the work to the required standard.

No complaint has been made on this occasion from the customer but if Zeddess would like to PM me the details of the contractor he/she believes carried out the work we can carry out an investigation and speak to the contractor direct if they are found to be at fault.
NICEIC operates the most robust and rigorous qualification for registration requirements in the UK. This includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of a representative sample of the companies work, assessment at their premises to ensure they have documentation and records, employs only competent persons to carry out electrical work, has evidence of required insurances and an, inspection of their equipment and premises. Most importantly, it includes a requirement for regular periodic inspections and assessments of organisations and principle named individuals to ensure standards are continually met.

However, in the same way that theDVLA cannot oversee every journey carried out by those with a driving licence, the NICEIC is not in a position to test every electrical installation itself. The fact that a contractor has been approved to work to best industry standards on assessment cannot, regrettably, rule out the possibility that a contractor, or someone working for them, may be negligent in relation to a specific electrical installation in the future. just as drivers have a duty of care to respect the rules of the road at all times, so do electricians assessed by NICEIC.

If a contractor is found to be guilty of not keeping within the rules and regulations for enrolement, they will be de-registered immediately. Last year we de-registered 518 contractors who failed to meet the strict requirements of enrolment .

I hope this answers some of the forum’s queries and as mentioned will be happy to deal with Zedess’ complaint. I would also urge any other contractors who come across similar incidents to get in touch with NICEIC direct – as we can only act on these issues if we are informed of them. Email [email protected]

Finally, apologies for lack of interaction on the forum lately – NICEIC will endeavor to check and respond, where appropriate, more regularly in the future.
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I hardly think that is true, nor do you maintain or uphold standards.
 
NICEIC ENGINEER;8051[COLOR=#222222 said:

[/COLOR]NICEIC operates the most robust and rigorous qualification for registration requirements in the UK. This includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of a representative sample of the companies work,
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I know of one person who passed off his mate's work as his own and got AC status, he's quite proud of that too because he brags about how easy it was to do.
 
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NICEIC ENGINEER said:
Last year we de-registered 518 contractors who failed to meet the strict requirements of enrolment .
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Thanks for your reply.

Is it possible for you to give a breakdown on the reasons for de-registering? ie, were these all for failure to comply with the installation requirements of BS7671, or were there other sorts of non-compliance in this total (lack of insurance, lack of complaints register, failure to pay fee, etc)?
 
HandySparks said:
Thanks for your reply.

Is it possible for you to give a breakdown on the reasons for de-registering? ie, were these all for failure to comply with the installation requirements of BS7671, or were there other sorts of non-compliance in this total (lack of insurance, lack of complaints register, failure to pay fee, etc)?
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...lol...
that`l be it....
 
HandySparks said:
Thanks for your reply.

Is it possible for you to give a breakdown on the reasons for de-registering? ie, were these all for failure to comply with the installation requirements of BS7671, or were there other sorts of non-compliance in this total (lack of insurance, lack of complaints register, failure to pay fee, etc)?
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Cripes, struck off for lack of a register - that is serious!
 
GLENNSPARK said:

replace with a national register of qualified, competant electricians....no proper quals attained at college whilst undergoing sustained on site training (such as an apprenticeship)....then you aint coming in.....end of.
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Who's to say this chap doesn't meet that criteria? They are supposed to check all that at annual assessment. I always show them my quals.

I would be happy for the NICEIC or building control for that matter to assess my work on a random basis whenever I notify a job.

It doesn't matter who did the work it's just ****e and the customer suffers again. Send the details to the NICEIC and let them get involved.
 
I've just joined the forum and was struck by the similarity of this 'rewire' to one that my 90 year old mother-in-law had last year. I am an ex electrician from a full apprenticeship with the London Electricity Board back in the 1960's. Work to instal a new bathroom was organised by my sister-in-law and the plumber identified some old wiring. Despite my instructions to the plumber (over the 'phone whilst I was on holiday) to concentrate on his plumbing an electrician was called in who then disconnected the whole supply including freezer and started to remove consumer units etc. This electrician was supposedly fully qualified and a member of the appropriate organisation. My siste-in-law got rather intimidated by the situation and the rewire commenced an the price increased. I had a further few 'phone calls with the electrician and gave him a verbal spec some of which he ignored as it was perhaps a bit tricky for him. All-in-all a farce. I live some distance from mother-in-law and it was some time before I visited. The standard of work was similar to the 'photos and in some instances I consider to be potentially dangerous. The electrician supposedly issued a certificate but it was no more than something he filled in that he could have printed from the internet. I also took 'photos, contacted NICIEC? and did not get much help when I asked whether he was registered. Their on-line search facility was cumbersome and nearly useless. I also contacted the Citizens Advice Bureau about flagging the electrician as a potential danger but was told I would have to ensure I followed the problem up myself. The family had been trying to do this for the previous few months. My mother-in-law's health is bad and we considered any further follow up would be very disturbing for her.
I suppose I am surprised that with all of this protection that we are supposed to get from the Regulators etc. that this type of shoddy and dangerous and expensive work can go on. All of my work as an electricity board electrician was inspected and tested by a foremen. It seems that NICIEC should be doing similar regular checks for everyone registered with them.
Currently I am helping my son-in-law sort out some problems with his PV Installation (not installed very well- Over voltage and cables too small) also with his Solar Water heating- lots of issues here the last one to resolve is the flow and return to panels are wrong way round. Both supposedly installed by qualified tradesmen then inspected and certificates issued. The installers are either now not in that business or are evasive when approached. So have we got a lot of rogue tradesmen in this country and where are the so-called regulators and what recourse does a customer have.
Sorry for the rant but found this excellent forum when looking at the PV issues.
 
waking up next to me is a nightmare according to 'er indoors.
 
Hiddo said:
Who's to say this chap doesn't meet that criteria? They are supposed to check all that at annual assessment. I always show them my quals.

I would be happy for the NICEIC or building control for that matter to assess my work on a random basis whenever I notify a job.

It doesn't matter who did the work it's just ****e and the customer suffers again. Send the details to the NICEIC and let them get involved.
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you mean like this guy did (NIC ENGINEER)...?
all a publicity stunt....they aint interested

and whats this about the chap who did that mountain of shyte `meeting criteria`..?

take a look at the pics man......
does that look like meeting any sort of criteria to you?
 
Just some of the things done by a so called qualified electrician in Romford. And that was after 9months and 2 re-visits to correct and re-finish the job.
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ford.
 
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