The tories policies are working

[dingledong]

Yes I have 2

 

[trev]

In England over 90% of mugging is done by black people
But if I ask for records based on colour they will not show it

If you can claim that then you must have stats which prove that.

 

[Octopus]

If you can claim that then you must have stats which prove that.

not taking sides but I think MDJ has a point!

 

[trev]

not taking sides but I think MDJ has a point!

So do I but I'm taking my time getting to the same point.

 

[Octopus]

So do I but I'm taking my time getting to the same point.

What I do know is that I don't trust the stats the Police put out.

Back in 2001 I had a laptop stolen from my car, my employer asked me to get a crime number, so I dutifully trotted down the local Police station to report it - the chap behind the counter listened to what I had to say and his response was - we don't log these - to which I said "my employer is asking for it" - he sighed and logged the crime.

A year or so later, my replacement laptop was stolen from work - despite this being in the middle of the night the criminal was caught and apprehended by acouple of lads working late.

I then had to go to the Police Station to collect the laptop - and was "grilled" for about 30 minutes before I could have it back. It should be noted that the criminal was a "regular" criminal and got let off with a caution!

 

[Guest77]

Yes I have 2

Well your brains are in them because there is nothing between your ears.

 

[trev]

What I do know is that I don't trust the stats the Police put out.

Back in 2001 I had a laptop stolen from my car, my employer asked me to get a crime number, so I dutifully trotted down the local Police station to report it - the chap behind the counter listened to what I had to say and his response was - we don't log these - to which I said "my employer is asking for it" - he sighed and logged the crime.

A year or so later, my replacement laptop was stolen from work - despite this being in the middle of the night the criminal was caught and apprehended by acouple of lads working late.

I then had to go to the Police Station to collect the laptop - and was "grilled" for about 30 minutes before I could have it back. It should be noted that the criminal was a "regular" criminal and got let off with a caution!

I can trot out a broadly similar story mate.
What I wouldn't dream of doing is to claim that 90% of a certain type of crime is committed by one single group of people unless I had access to cast iron stats which would irrefutably back up my claim

 

[Octopus]

I can trot out a broadly similar story mate.
What I wouldn't dream of doing is to claim that 90% of a certain type of crime is committed by one single group of people unless I had access to cast iron stats which would irrefutably back up my claim

Me neither. Life is about FACTS not fiction!

 

[dingledong]

As you have said in your posts I have a friend (yes I have one) who is a very senior police man and in a discussion made the s comments about 8 years ago . If you asked anything with a colour hint to it ,it would not be answered
Same with the social I know someone who tried to find out the percentage of people not born in this country on the dole and was rebuffed at every attempt

 

[Guest77]

I think dongle is not only a far right wing thinker, a bit like the BNP, but he is also a Racist, now hopefully he will confirm thats Bollox and he may want to retrack his appalling post.

 

[dingledong]

Speaking to people who are in the know rather than reading the biased media is the only way to get the true facts

 

[Adam W]

If you can claim that then you must have stats which prove that.

Not necessarily. As I've mentioned before people's opinion is largely based on what they see, not what statistics someone has put together to prove their point, for example someone who works with a lot of migrant workers who form tight-knit groups and only speak to each other in their own language will probably see immigration as a problem, even though they have no numbers to back up their concern.
As I said, I've met people who fiddle the system, people who 'don't work' when they are perfectly capable of doing so, people whose only source of income is their benefits, and they don't seem too badly off. I very much doubt anyone has been able to compile any accurate statistics of people fiddling the system though because if an organisation such as a jobcentre ask them, they'll just lie.

 

[trev]

Adam, the minute you start to say that C% of this is caused by that you need to have verifiable stats to back up your claim.

 

[trev]

As you have said in your posts I have a friend (yes I have one) who is a very senior police man and in a discussion made the s comments about 8 years ago . If you asked anything with a colour hint to it ,it would not be answered
Same with the social I know someone who tried to find out the percentage of people not born in this country on the dole and was rebuffed at every attempt

So your cop friend is also a racist who makes up stats?
Just because you know someone has tried to find something out and failed that does not mean the information does not exist. It just means that the right person has not been consulted.

 

[dingledong]

I agree with you all your outlooks come from what you see and hear but when some one high up in an organisation discloses facts to you as they would not otherwise be known I would rather discuss with them than read a newspaper that is reporting only certain facts
It's no good mdj pasting and copying anti right wing things from left wing newspapers it's biased again it's no good being against commo's and getting your facts from right wing papers . The people that know work in.these organisations that are fed up with things happening

Go on the internet nhs every one is blaming the other for the problems we are having now but trev was talking to some one in the nibs who told it like it truly was ( I think it was trev ) but I might be wrong

 

[dingledong]

No actually he is not because when he said the first statement we went typical and then he brought in the 2nd statement just to show in the UK it's 50/50

 

[Guest77]

I cannot believe anyone would suggest 90% of muggings are down to Black people, basically we have 10% of our population of afro caribbean origin. That means in theory and theory only 10% of crimes may be from Black people, may be, so to suggest 90% is means they are 9 times more likely to commit crimes than white people. If so are 90% of people in prison black and 10% white??

 

[Guest77]

No actually he is not because when he said the first statement we went typical and then he brought in the 2nd statement just to show in the UK it's 50/50

Well that would mean they are 5 times more likely to commit a crime, I still think thats high, Could be wrong though.

 

[dingledong]

So your cop friend is also a racist who makes up stats?
Just because you know someone has tried to find something out and failed that does not mean the information does not exist. It just means that the right person has not been consulted.

Ok trev your a clever man can you tell me
The percentage of immigrants on the dole compared to people born here
The percentage of people under 21 on the dole

 

[Guest77]

So your cop friend is also a racist who makes up stats?
Just because you know someone has tried to find something out and failed that does not mean the information does not exist. It just means that the right person has not been consulted.

Surely that doesn't suprise you.

 

[Adam W]

Adam, the minute you start to say that C% of this is caused by that you need to have verifiable stats to back up your claim.

True, but then 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[trev]

Ok trev your a clever man can you tell me
The percentage of immigrants on the dole compared to people born here
The percentage of people under 21 on the dole

No I can't because I've never asked the question, |I'm not prepared to make up a stat so I can't help you, sorry.
However, that wasn't what we were talking about was it? We were talking about how you're going to justify your claim that 90% of muggings are carried out by black people

 

[dingledong]

I think more black people are in prison than white but what for that's different I just typed in the percentage of black people in prison

 

[dingledong]

In other words you can't as you know there is a blanket thrown over anything to do with colour but give it a go

 

[dingledong]

And men I am not a racist as my sidekick is an Indian but say anything about colour and your branded a racist
Look at this big sex scandal every one was to scared to report it in case they were thought of being a racist

 

[trev]

In other words you can't as you know there is a blanket thrown over anything to do with colour but give it a go

No, I've said why I'm unable to answer. Don't try to twist my words to suit your agenda.

 

[trev]

And men I am not a racist as my sidekick is an Indian but say anything about colour and your branded a racist

No, I disagree. You can rationally talk about issues with colour and not be racist but the minute you start making up statistics, that is when you're branded a racist.

 

[dingledong]

No you said you don't make up . So asked you to find the exact figures not make them up the exact figures and any word twisting is coming from your self

 

[Guest77]

Trev is right, no non racist person would post on the web that 90% of muggings is from Black people unless they had issues with Black people, we would never even consider saying such a thing.

 

[trev]

Ok trev your a clever man can you tell me
The percentage of immigrants on the dole compared to people born here
The percentage of people under 21 on the dole

No I can't because I've never asked the question, |I'm not prepared to make up a stat so I can't help you, sorry.
However, that wasn't what we were talking about was it? We were talking about how you're going to justify your claim that 90% of muggings are carried out by black people

No you said you don't make up . So asked you to find the exact figures not make them up the exact figures and any word twisting is coming from your self

Please highlight where I have quoted statistics.

You however, claimed that 90% of muggings are carried out by black people,

 

[dingledong]

On a one to one basis I have no probe with black people at all Mike none at all . I don't care what race some one is the only thing I really dislike is communists
Unfortunately I have to go and do a good deed for a neighbour so I will have to go !! No talking about me behind my back now


Hi ho silver away

 

[Deleted member 26818]

There was me thinking that this was an electrical forum?
For me, the Tory policies are not working.
My cost of living has increased, yet my income if anything has decreased.
We now have this new scam by the Agencies, where we get paid as if we are employees, but the employers NI contribution, holiday pay, etc comes out of our money.
There's a few instances where we'll get paid CIS, but they are very few and far between.

All this rubbish about being concerned about immigration, is just that, rubbish.
The Tories allowed the contractors at the Olympics to employ foreign nationals.
In fact they encouraged it, as it kept wages low.
Did they really think all this foreign nationals would return to their own countries after the project was completed?

 

[trev]

On a one to one basis I have no probe with black people at all Mike none at all .

Have you got any idea of what you're implying with that one sentence?

 

[Richard Burns]

Have you got any idea of what you're implying with that one sentence?

If he has no probe for black people then he obviously only uses his megger on white people!

(Not wishing to offend anyone by the use of black and white, please apply a suitable alternative if required)

 

[dingledong]

But this is the problem every one has got upset cos I said 90% of black people in this country


No one has said any thing about 90% of whites in Scotland
Read back all the quotes are about the black statement

 

[dingledong]

No I can't because I've never asked the question, |I'm not prepared to make up a stat so I can't help you, sorry.
However, that wasn't what we were talking about was it? We were talking about how you're going to justify your claim that 90% of muggings are carried out by black people

Your saying your not prepared to make up ,see above
I did not ask you to make up I asked you to direct me somewhere that I can see officially that I am wrong as its knowing where to look and you do

 

[trev]

Try google using the search term "breakdown of UK crime rate by race" or you could try BNP.org.uk
I'm sure they'll have something which fits with your view.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I really don't think that there is any point continuing this discussion.
This is not about the correct way to do something, or how to interpret the Regs.
This is about people's beliefs, and no amount of argument, facts or even plain common sense ever changed someone's beliefs.

 

[trev]

So Gideon's speech today got me thinking, obviously it's got a few others thinking too. So, thus far the coalition's record is as follows-
Bedroom tax
Workfare aka slave labour
Foodbanks
Fracking
Zero hours contracts
Retirement age rises
Pensions sell offs
NHS sell offs
Child poverty increased
Tax cuts for millionaires
Dodgy Atos assessments
Benefit cuts
Cuts to front line services
Fewer child sure start centres
Waiting times in A&E up
Longer waiting times for GP appointments
Longer waits for operations
Energy price rises
Food price rises
Failure to curb banking excesses
Cash for peerages
Corporate tax avoidance
Corporate sponsorship
Massive rail fare increases
Erosion of worker's rights
Expense scandals continuing
UN investigation into human rights abuses
Cost of living crisis
Inequality rising
Higher private rents
Pay freezes
Highest borrowing since WW2
Higher national debt
Rise in homelessness
Fewer police
Fewer doctors
Fewer nurses
Fewer teachers
A 10% pay rise for MPs

 

[Silly Sausage]

Trev, if you want to get rid of them quick, hack all their phones etc. and send some random giblets pictures to the press

 

[Guest77]

Pasty Tax
25 quid to see your GP
illegal veto on the EU
selling off the post office without telling the country
making promises to the Jocks they cannot keep
9k a year uni fees
20% vat rates
swearing at police officers

 

[trev]

We'll no doubt hear a lot over the next few months about how the economy is safe in Gideon's hands. He's banged on enough about it today, but
This government has ran up more debt than all the Labour administrations since 1924 put together.
Gideon is going to miss his own borrowing targets by £190 BILLION
Growth is lower today than it was when the coalition took over in 2010

 

[Geordie Spark]

Pasty Tax
25 quid to see your GP
illegal veto on the EU
selling off the post office without telling the country
making promises to the Jocks they cannot keep
9k a year uni fees
20% vat rates
swearing at police officers

.. and the problem is??? :angel_smile:

 

[Guest77]

But listening to the TV stations and reading the newspapers you wouldn't believe anything was wrong lol, over to you Adam.

 

[Adam W]

Pasty Tax
25 quid to see your GP
illegal veto on the EU
selling off the post office without telling the country
making promises to the Jocks they cannot keep
9k a year uni fees
20% vat rates
swearing at police officers

Didn't we establish that you can't just make stuff up and pass it off as facts?

 

[jaypp]

.. and the problem is??? :angel_smile:

beat me to it!!

 

[trev]

But listening to the TV stations and reading the newspapers you wouldn't believe anything was wrong lol, over to you Adam.

Oh Mike, just so you know. We must remember that the recession was all Labour's fault. That's the global recession I'm talking about. Lol

 

[trev]

IDS's idea about prepaid cards for benefit claimants is monstrous. He may as well have new signs made for jobcentres which read "Arbeit Macht Frei"

 

[Silly Sausage]

IDS's idea about prepaid cards for benefit claimants is monstrous. He may as well have new signs made for jobcentres which read "Arbeit Macht Frei"

I've missed that one.
Is that so they can't spend it on booze and smokes? :smilielol5:

 

[trev]

I've missed that one.
Is that so they can't spend it on booze and smokes? :smilielol5:

Yes it is but it's the suggestion that I object to. I know a lot of people who are on the dole and they're not all lazy, indolent scroungers.