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The word was safer, and of course it needs testing, which is what I intend doing. Read the post.
Nor is the beer but I would rather be there than here.I flew over to Spain yesterday, thinking I'd get away from this thread...but, no!
Anyway, the dodgy disintegrating socket I posted ages ago has been replaced, so if it doesn't stop raining soon I'll have it apart to see what's been done.
FYI, the weather isn't great
Did they let you on the plane with that parrot on your shoulder?Me too MDJ, me too...
which is why I am here!
Oh, and there are some good beers here, actually...but not the variety, of course. However, the quest continues...
I flew over to Spain yesterday, thinking I'd get away from this thread...but, no!
Anyway, the dodgy disintegrating socket I posted ages ago has been replaced, so if it doesn't stop raining soon I'll have it apart to see what's been done.
FYI, the weather isn't great
You did say safer Percy, in fact you said far safer.The word was safer, and of course it needs testing, which is what he intends doing. Read the post.
Simply don't t have the test equipment now, only a multimeter, so not much point testing with that. Also better that he gets it tested by someone who can issue a certificate, which I can't, different from my own property. I did do a 17 th edition testing course, because after a neutral fault we needed to test in the cu, but that's not a full installation testing qualification. Fair enough some dnos permit certain authorised people to break seals, but not all. Well, I'll accept it could be less safe, but I would still say it's more likely to be safer.
Unless it's more dangerous - which it could be as it has not been verified.The word was safer, and of course it needs testing, which is what he intends doing. Read the post.
What a clever DIY to$$er....and I'll bet he picked up that copy of the 17th cheap, probably on eBay.
no idea why people keep adding "Disagree" to this post, you better all write to Vaillant as their servicing instructions go further to class that as perfectly sufficient (as opposed to the weaker "at least it's better than nothing" I stated)Nice post, but I'd say at least some testing is a job within reach of anyone who has made changes to an installation. All you need is a multimeter- If you've added a spur then polarity and CPC continuity at a minimum even if you don't have the ability to check R1+R2 etc.
no idea why people keep adding "Disagree" to this post, you better all write to Vaillant as their servicing instructions go further to class that as perfectly sufficient (as opposed to the weaker "at least it's better than nothing" I stated)
Agree, but people are disagreeing that it's possible to find faults with a multimeter. Unless all the people disagreeing are 5 week wonders, I'd expect any decent electrician to know how to find most common diy errors on added spurs and lighting circuits.John, your post refers to installing a boiler. It does not refer to making changes to the fixed wiring of an installation.
Changes made to the fixed wiring of an installation require testing with appropriate test equipment.
yes, but the point made was that a multimeter (as opposed to a MFT) is not capable of performing the necessary tests, e.g. IR/loop/RCD/Polarity. it can only measure voltage and continuityAgree, but people are disagreeing that it's possible to find faults with a multimeter. Unless all the people disagreeing are 5 week wonders, I'd expect any decent electrician to know how to find most common diy errors on added spurs and lighting circuits.
the point made was that a multimeter (as opposed to a MFT) is not capable of performing the necessary tests
Thanks for the support both of you. , all the people who pressed disagree were apparently saying that. It's a bit depressing getting them every time i log on from people who don't know what they're disagreeing with. Is there any way to remove my post? As i can't edit to clarify.nobody is saying a multimeter cannot find certain faults.
Thanks for the support both of you. , all the people who pressed disagree were apparently saying that. It's a bit depressing getting them every time i log on from people who don't know what they're disagreeing with. Is there any way to remove my post? As i can't edit to clarify.
Nice post, but I'd say at least some testing is a job within reach of anyone who has made changes to an installation. All you need is a multimeter- If you've added a spur then polarity and CPC continuity at a minimum even if you don't have the ability to check R1+R2 etc.
, TESTING is a job for those with the correct equipment and the knowledge to use it...I don't touch that either
I'd say at least some testing is a job within reach of anyone who has made changes to an installation. All you need is a multimeter- If you've added a spur then polarity and CPC continuity at a minimum even if you don't have the ability to check R1+R2 etc.
Seems you are right, however in my opinion so many posters should not have applied the Disagree label to a post that said that.you are twisting things. The disagreements were nothing to do with whether or not multimeter tests are better than nothing
Seems you are right, however in my opinion so many posters should not have applied the Disagree label to a post that said that.
As you know I am well aware of the purpose and importance of testing and when encouraging posters to do more testing where they would do none I'd have expected more support.
Anyway I'll get that post removed as it's just causing problems! Cheers.
I fully understand the importance of testing, no one needs to make that point. The actual point is seemingly harder to explain.are very valid points the members are putting forward
That is not a related analogy at all. If you want a car analogy, a more correct analogy would be telling someone who won't do an MOT for whatever reason to get a torch and inspect his brakes himself, also test his brake lights and indicators, as at least it would be better than nothing.can give an analogy it would be like doing a full MOT check and not looking at the brakes
Also incorrect. From a logical point of view you are saying that since a multimeter can't detect all faults that implies it can't find any. That is not true. The only truth is you can't issue an EIC off the back of the tests, which i don't think the poster i was replying to was planning to fill in either way!you either do the full testing required or your limited results mean nothing.
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