Where to put sockets?

[JLeague]

Have you put the worktops in yet? How much space have you in the kitchen?
I use 700mm or wider over washing machines etc. OK, it's more expensive, but it makes life a lot easier.
If that is too expensive, space the units and worktops out by 100mm or more and construct an upstand with facing to match the worktop, leaving tons of space for cabling etc.

The kitchen is narrow but long - galley kitchen. At the design stage, have the plans drawn and now looking at findins out as many issues before we start the actual work.

Standard worktops so 630mm deep I believe.

 

[telectrix]

you can get worktops which are wider than standard. this will allow room behind appliances for sockets.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

This is/was quite common practice, a fused switched unit supplying a non switched socket outlet for the appliance to plug in.

And is stupid as well. Two fuses in series!!

 

[GeorgeCooke]

I will be having a grid switch installed,

What on earth for? If you can get at the plug as you want that is the best isolation possible.

 

[DPG]

Why D.... can just unplug 'em.
….and plenty room with the piping.

Ah, I thought the reference was to flex outlet plates.

 

[pirate]

As Tel and I have both said, use a wider than standard worktop. 600mm are fine for integrated appliances.
630 or 635 are used, for example, by Ikea, as their "standard" size. 700 and wider are readily available.
Building out a "standard" size with a "dashboard" at the back gives you tons of service space and can take socket outlets etc if designed correctly, and gives a raised ledge for your spice bottles and ashtray...the top or lid can be retained with magnetic catches...it's the way forward!

 

[pirate]

delete "ashtray"...I meant "soap-dish", obviously...

 

[JLeague]

What on earth for? If you can get at the plug as you want that is the best isolation possible.

Thats what the electrician quoted for when I showed him the kitchen plans from Howdens. Grid switches if I recall correctly for hob, washing machine, dryer, hood I think.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Thats what the electrician quoted for when I showed him the kitchen plans from Howdens. Grid switches if I recall correctly for hob, washing machine, dryer, hood I think.

Completely unnecessary. Just a modern fad. If all these are connected to the ring at the same point could cause overloading in one leg.

 

[JLeague]

Howdens deepest worktop is 620mm.

Completely unnecessary. Just a modern fad. If all these are connected to the ring at the same point could cause overloading in one leg.

As a know nothing consumer. Wouldn't the grid switches just be extra way to turn off the appliances?

 

[Midwest]

Grid switches for appliances, are typically used in new builds, to comply with Part M building regs. In your existing property, you do not have to.

However, some people like the idea of having appliance isolating switches in one place, as opposed scattered around the kitchen. That said, a socket mounted in a floor unit, is perfectly acceptable. Its your kitchen, choose the install you want.

Get DP switched socket outlets.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Howdens deepest worktop is 620mm.


As a know nothing consumer. Wouldn't the grid switches just be extra way to turn off the appliances?

It is but why do you want that? Will you have another grid panel in the lounge for the TV, set top box, table lamp etc?

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Grid switches for appliances, are typically used in new builds, to comply with Part M building regs.

So that's what it's about. What does part M say exactly that requires grid switches?

 

[Risteard]

In spite of what GeorgeCooke (Winston) writes, isolators are the norm and practically everyone will fit them. Be thankful you're not in the south of Ireland where they are mandatory within two metres of every appliance - ruling out grid switches.

 

[Midwest]

So that's what it's about. What does part M say exactly that requires grid switches?

I’m not telling you, go find out for yourself ;-)

 

[Deleted account]

Am I missing something but I've never had an issue with an outlet in the wall behind an appliance. Domestic appliances are designed to facilitate this?

You lucky then.

Washing machines, dishwashers and fridges will not push right back if the is a plug behind.

I always fit a surface patterns with unswitched socket in an adjacent cupboard to the appliance controlled by a FSU or double pole isolator above work bench.

 

[ruston]

I’m not telling you, go find out for yourself ;-)

I have never fitted one . I have been to a few that have caused problems though.
I am in the camp of the isolator above the appliance , as in white goods , and accessible for all others. Not all customers will have them above , so it is where practical

 

[GeorgeCooke]

In spite of what GeorgeCooke (Winston) writes, isolators are the norm and practically everyone will fit them. Be thankful you're not in the south of Ireland where they are mandatory within two metres of every appliance - ruling out grid switches.

My name is not Winston. Isolators are not the norm except for cookers and hobs. A grid panel is certainly not the norm.

What happens in foreign countries is of course irreverent, but must be a pain with isolators for every TV, table lamp etc if what you say is true.

 

[Risteard]

What happens in foreign countries is of course irreverent

No - many countries can be very respectful.

 

[DPG]

My name is also not Winston.