Who knows French Regs??!

[Rockingit]

Anyone know what the ‘standard’ tabulated cable rating is for 6mm rubber in France? Alternatively, put the other way around, what’s the size for a 63/3 sized supply, free air

 

[swaRRR]

Not too sure on your question but 6mm is rated at 40a over there, 9.2kw max pull.

 

[Rockingit]

Agreed (here). I’m trying to help a colleague who’s in France and dealing with a poorly installed 63/3 Commando outlet, overheating etc due to being installed in 6mm and getting fobbed off by a local cowboy that it meets French Regs - she’s looking for a Reg argument to tell the venue owners to get it done properly and stop being ripped off.

 

[swaRRR]

Agreed (here). I’m trying to help a colleague who’s in France and dealing with a poorly installed 63/3 Commando outlet, overheating etc due to being installed in 6mm and getting fobbed off by a local cowboy that it meets French Regs - she’s looking for a Reg argument to tell the venue owners to get it done properly and stop being ripped off.

Show them this Choix de câble domestique - Repère Elec - http://www.repereelec.fr/cables-dom.htm

Needs 16mm if it's pulling over 60a.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Surely cable doesn't know which country its being installed in so if you can go by the manufacturers instructions for amp rating ?

 

[swaRRR]

Surely cable doesn't know which country its being installed in so if you can go by the manufacturers instructions for amp rating ?

Different regs though. Like you're not allowed to install ring finals, you're not allowed more than 12 sockets on a radial, etc.

 

[DPG]

Different regs though. Like you're not allowed to install ring finals, you're not allowed more than 12 sockets on a radial, etc.

And remember you need a consumer unit the size of a filing cabinet

 

[pc1966]

Like you're not allowed to install ring finals

Again, due to plugs in France not having a fuse.

So often folk don't grasp that is such a fundamental difference between the UK domestic (13A) socket outlets and most of the rest of the world.

 

[swaRRR]

And remember you need a consumer unit the size of a filing cabinet

And a wallet the size of one to pay for it.

 

[swaRRR]

Again, due to plugs in France not having a fuse.

So often folk don't grasp that is such a fundamental difference between the UK domestic (13A) socket outlets and most of the rest of the world.

It's more likely that it's due to them just being unnecessary imo.

Although the way they do it there, you're allowed so few sockets on a radial run that it actually uses more cable than a ring would use.

In my house i had 1 radial for dining room and front room (12 sockets), 2 radials for the upstairs, cooker feed, hob feed, washing machine feed, dishwasher feed, freezer feed. And my house was small. Needed a 2-tier since you have to leave a certain amount of space in the unit.

Still, i prefer how they do it there, so much of it is much better than here.

I'm still waiting for us to finally come on board and use circular back boxes so we can stop fannying about with cutting in rectangular boxes and just use a big hole saw.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Twelve sockets on 2.5mm or Eight sockets on 1.5mm not forgetting no T&E as the earth is not double insulated as singles in Gain would be, my CU was four tier as it was a three phase supply, one tier for incoming and external supply RCD's all four module and three other tiers, one for each phase.

The only problem with circular back box's is that glands don't fit, but like most French electricians they just stuff the gain into the back box, or leave it just short.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Different regs though. Like you're not allowed to install ring finals, you're not allowed more than 12 sockets on a radial, etc.

But presumebly the fresh air / clipped direct rating for any cable will be exactly the same no matter what country to install it

 

[swaRRR]

But presumebly the fresh air / clipped direct rating for any cable will be exactly the same no matter what country to install it

Yeah but that doesn't mean it comes within their regs. 6mm is rated for 40a there in their regs not 47a like here. Their cable is all round profile, i don't know if that makes any difference in terms of temperature etc?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Yeah but that doesn't mean it comes within their regs. 6mm is rated for 40a there in their regs not 47a like here. Their cable is all round profile, i don't know if that makes any difference in terms of temperature etc?

Also I believe all their cable needs to be run in plastic conduit as well which may effect how they de-rate their stuff

 

[Mike Johnson]

Not quite true, double insulated flexible cable can be used at high level to supply power and lighting too an outhouse or caravan, but not recommended.

 

[swaRRR]

Also I believe all their cable needs to be run in plastic conduit as well which may effect how they de-rate their stuff

It doesn't have to be, although in most properties it's run inside flexi conduit (the conduit comes pre-wired!) in singles. Their actual cable is colour coded and is actually meant to be run outside but you can also use it inside if you want.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Domestic supplies to plugs, lights and white goods has to be run in conduit, it comes either prewired or in rolls with a draw cable.