Additional Kitchen ring?

[richo106]

Hi

A client is having a new kitchen installed and they have requested 8 new sockets in various places, there are currently 8 sockets installed.

The consumer unit has couple of spare ways and located in the kitchen, also Im installing downlight from below so the ceiling will be no problem to make holes etc.. I could also install majority of the new ring without removing any old units or causing much disruption for the client

I was just after some opinions whether to install a new ring main for the new sockets or just extend the existing ring main circuit. Its a 5 bed detached house and it has two existing rings..sockets up and down & kitchen and utility

All advice greatly appreciated

 

[Leesparkykent]

Depends...The state of the existing RFC, RCD protection etc

 

[Pete999]

Hi

A client is having a new kitchen installed and they have requested 8 new sockets in various places, there are currently 8 sockets installed.

The consumer unit has couple of spare ways and located in the kitchen, also Im installing downlight from below so the ceiling will be no problem to make holes etc.. I could also install majority of the new ring without removing any old units or causing much disruption for the client

I was just after some opinions whether to install a new ring main for the new sockets or just extend the existing ring main circuit. Its a 5 bed detached house and it has two existing rings..sockets up and down & kitchen and utility

All advice greatly appreciated

32Amp 4mm2 Radial

 

[Spoon]

If you install a new ring then it will be notifiable.
I don't really like the idea of having to switch off two breakers to isolate all the kitchen sockets. IMO (depending on the layout and what they are using) one circuit would be better.

 

[Strima]

Is the kitchen a dedicatd RFC or is it supplying other rooms in the property, is there a spur for garage etc?

I'm with Pete, a 32 amp radial would be simple enough to install.

 

[richo106]

Depends...The state of the existing RFC, RCD protection etc

Its a reasonable new house (15 years old) with split way RCD consumer unit

 

[Octopus]

Interesting idea ............. would it not be better to just add to the existing ring?

 

[richo106]

Is the kitchen a dedicatd RFC or is it supplying other rooms in the property, is there a spur for garage etc?

I'm with Pete, a 32 amp radial would be simple enough to install.

The kitchen ring only feeds the kitchen and utility room

 

[Leesparkykent]

What does your electrician think?

 

[123]

16 double sockets in a kitchen...

 

[richo106]

16 double sockets in a kitchen...

9 doubles and 7 singles/spurs (for appliances and in cupboards for lighting)

 

[buzzlightyear]

how big is the kitchen , why would you put in a new ring for the new sockets ,extend if possible .

 

[123]

9 doubles and 7 singles/spurs (for appliances and in cupboards for lighting)

What appliances will there be on these circuits?

 

[Toneyz]

I agree with 123 until we know the appliances that are on the 7 spurs single sockets for working out diversity.

 

[Nobbin]

Find out what is going to be plugged in. Work out what the maximum (although unlikely) current is going to be, then do the maths.
If the existing ring cable (you did say that the kitchen had it's own ring) can support the load then make sure the protective device can protect the cable and simply extend the ring.
I worry sometimes that I over simplify problems.
But it does seem to work.

 

[Midwest]

Surely there's only so many appliances you can have in a domestic kitchen, and the existing RFC (kitchen & utility) should just be extended.

 

[Pete E]

9 doubles and 7 singles/spurs (for appliances and in cupboards for lighting)

Are those in addition to the spur for the cooker?

 

[Pete E]

9 doubles and 7 singles/spurs (for appliances and in cupboards for lighting)

Are those in addition to the spur for the cooker?

 

[Octopus]

Then consider common sense .............. a customer can only use so many appliances / accessories at once

AND go back in time and lots of houses only had 1 socket circuit and that often included the immersion.

Extend what you have.

 

[WillWX]

Who’s going to be the first to call it....

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Horses for courses. The kitchen I'm doing at the moment has a ring for general use, along with separate 20a radials for oven, steam oven, boiling water outlet, built in coffee machine, and a 32a radial for dishwasher/vacuum drawer/waste disposal. I'd always try and keep appliances off a kitchen ring simply because it minimises disruption in the event of faults.

 

[Midwest]

Horses for courses. The kitchen I'm doing at the moment has a ring for general use, along with separate 20a radials for oven, steam oven, boiling water outlet, built in coffee machine, and a 32a radial for dishwasher/vacuum drawer/waste disposal. I'd always try and keep appliances off a kitchen ring simply because it minimises disruption in the event of faults.

But then that's a different thing, your case, OP case needs to provide more info.