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doing a job at the moment , steel trunking from db to above a solid ceiling with klik lighting boxes mounted on the trunking , my question is do i need to install rcbos for the circuits as the flex coming from the light fittings to the klik boxes will just be lying above the ceiling with no mechanical protection?
 
I would say not as the flexes are not part of the fixed wiring. But I am sure other will say it does require it.
 
No reason why the flex would need to be RCD protected in the ceiling.
 
If it's the false ceiling with metal bars ect. Cables should be fixed and supported, so they are not lying on top. Look at the back of gn8 for more
 
Buy GN8 then, you shouldn't really be designing installations without been familiar with most of the GN. I use them daily!

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And it what.
 
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10.7 Suspended ceilings
The conductive parts of a suspended ceiling will not introduce a potential that does not already exist in the space in which the ceiling is installed. In normal circumstances therefore, there is no need to arrange for the conductive parts of the ceiling to be equipotentially bonded, which would be unnecessary as well as difficult and costly to achieve.
The exposed-conductive-parts of Class I equipment are required to be connected to the MET of the installation by a protective conductor designed to conduct any earth fault current. Class II equipment is designed such that any basic insulation fault in the equipment cannot result in a fault current flowing into any conductive parts with which it may be in contact. The conductive parts of a suspended ceiling incorporating Class I and/or Class II equipment are not therefore intended to conduct an earth fault current, and so such parts need not be intentionally earthed. Some conductive parts of a suspended ceiling may be earthed, however, by virtue of fortuitous contact with the exposed-conductive-parts of Class I equipment.
The installation of all electrical equipment, including wiring systems above and incorporated in a suspended ceiling, should fully comply with the requirements of BS 7671 if the risk of electric shock from the ceiling is to be avoided. In particular, cables for fixed wiring should be supported continuously or at appropriate intervals, independently of the ceiling. The method of support is required to be such that no damage or undue strain occurs to the conductors, their insulation or terminations. Figure 10.8 shows a typical arrangement of supporting cables above a suspended ceiling
 
So fixed wiring is the key word, which i would say the flex isn't part of after the klik rose. However nothing wrong with keeping things tidy when installing the flexes.
 
Heres how i see it dilb mate

The installation of all electrical equipment, including wiring systems above and incorporated in a suspended ceiling, should fully comply with the requirements of BS 7671 if the risk of electric shock from the ceiling is to be avoided

Then it says in particular cables for fixed wiring
 
The way I am reading it is the trunking system will be. Earthed anyway so why and need for a RCBO? After the Klik it is not fixed wiring, for good practice though don't have the flexs strung across the ceiling. And any spare flex coil neatly!
 
Just a question for any one as it is not part of the "fixed wiring " would you do any EFLI test at the load ends ?
 
10.7 Suspended ceilings
The conductive parts of a suspended ceiling will not introduce a potential that does not already exist in the space in which the ceiling is installed. In normal circumstances therefore, there is no need to arrange for the conductive parts of the ceiling to be equipotentially bonded, which would be unnecessary as well as difficult and costly to achieve.
The exposed-conductive-parts of Class I equipment are required to be connected to the MET of the installation by a protective conductor designed to conduct any earth fault current. Class II equipment is designed such that any basic insulation fault in the equipment cannot result in a fault current flowing into any conductive parts with which it may be in contact. The conductive parts of a suspended ceiling incorporating Class I and/or Class II equipment are not therefore intended to conduct an earth fault current, and so such parts need not be intentionally earthed. Some conductive parts of a suspended ceiling may be earthed, however, by virtue of fortuitous contact with the exposed-conductive-parts of Class I equipment.
The installation of all electrical equipment, including wiring systems above and incorporated in a suspended ceiling, should fully comply with the requirements of BS 7671 if the risk of electric shock from the ceiling is to be avoided. In particular, cables for fixed wiring should be supported continuously or at appropriate intervals, independently of the ceiling. The method of support is required to be such that no damage or undue strain occurs to the conductors, their insulation or terminations. Figure 10.8 shows a typical arrangement of supporting cables above a suspended ceiling

that's not a post, it's a bloody dissertation. :icon11:
 
Lol, in regards with it been class one I normally get the lad with me to wander lead r2 all the fittings for 2 reasons, to prove there is a earth at each fitting and to keep him quiet for a while. I record all readings Zs R1+R2 IR with all fittings unplugged from the kliks.
 
I here u buddy
The way I was shown as an apprentice. Stuffing glands in back of fittings, cables clipped or say a cleat in concrete above for supporting away from the grid
 
I have never seen a install with a stuffing glad in except my own! Yeah no cable should touch the grid or tiles!
 
Was at one the other week. All cables 4 core in emg klix. Standard lights perm live just dangling there. For fudge sake
 
Just people who take pride mate, look above some ceilings and could play a tune on the cables they are strung that tight. Can't even remember what the OP was here but he's got a installation method and test procedure out of it!
 
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Klicks in, r1 r2 test to furthest fitting, L and N joined toogether at DB and IR test to earth (Line1 and Line 2 if emgy. fittings.
Earth loop test at furthest fitting and polarity test at all others.
Light fittings might be connected by flex but they are still a permanent fixture and as such should be included in testing. This will also show up faulty fittings, ballasts leaking to earth, incorrect (usually all white single) wiring etc.
Testing only to the klick box is doing half a job.

Boydy
 
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thanks for the info jamie , the trunking is 150mm off the ceiling and the flexes will be about 2 metres long , the ceiling is 4 metres from ground , i dont really see how the flexes can be supported from klik box to fitting remembering the fittings may have to be replaced one day if they go faulty
 
its not a suspended ceiling with grid its solid with hatches at the klik boxes
 
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