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edward cooper

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i work for a company that fits safety alarms in peoples homes. The equipment is effectively rented from us until it is no longer required and then returned back to us. Then it will be reused in another property. What safety checks should be carried out before it is deemed suitable for re allocation.

As PAT testing covers equipment in a commercial setting but not domestic (yet). What do you believe is suitable.
 
Surely there must be guide lines in BS 4737 and BS EN 50131 governing this type of equipment. I would be very surprised if In-service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment would cover this
 
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edward cooper

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thanks for replay. they are more for fixed equipment ie burglar alarms. The alarms I fit are incase people fall etc with pendants and monitoring box plugged in and linked to telephone equipment.

My first post was a little unclear. Sorry.
 
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oldtimer

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Would it need a PAT test as they have a transformer plug ? I tend to shy away from Sky,Virgin,BT boxes plus internet equipment because of the obvious electronics issue but also because the customer does not own this equipment so for me it would be a visual as all of this gear is double insulated and I am yet to get a definitive answer from anybody why I need to PAT test it as the tester links out L&N ? I have asked a couple of "PAT" testers but I just get this glazed look and a I just plug it in and set the tester to class II comment
 
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drew35

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Maybe for the vast amount of money I pay for my elderly relatives alarm, and taking into account the £%$" service provided, that people should get a new alarm and not a second hand one that you don't even know how to test! And which come the time, probably won't then work anyway!

Thanks for letting me know they're second hand, I'm off to have an angry conversation with someone!!!
 
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oldtimer

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You pay for this my late mum got it for free from the local council a bit like free tuition fees
 
i work for a company that fits safety alarms in peoples homes. The equipment is effectively rented from us until it is no longer required and then returned back to us. Then it will be reused in another property. What safety checks should be carried out before it is deemed suitable for re allocation.

As PAT testing covers equipment in a commercial setting but not domestic (yet). What do you believe is suitable.
What have you been doing to date, or is it a brand new Company?
 
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edward cooper

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i have been economical with truth as to what i do and the company for discretion. it may or may not be a new company or local authority and i may or may not work for them directly. just wanted your advice and recommendations because as this came to light when the transformer plug fell apart in my hands i just want to be armed with solution when i bring it up.

there are no pat testing labels on the equipment but as i say not sure they would be needed?

also as oldtimer states they are 12v.

so would you say pat test labelled and records kept or just visual?
 
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edward cooper

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my agenda trev is to ensure that the equipment been fitted is safe and fit for purpose because i am not able to see the checks carried out to equipment prior to it been given to me for fitting so i am looking into it now.
 
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oldtimer

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obviously you should have stated your intentions all you had to do was inform us from the start what actually happened dont get me wrong we are used to people coming on the forum with half a story but as you can see after about 6 posts members tend to get irritated because they start to think they are getting used and then they get quoted at meeting when in reality they did not get the whole story and by the way this is not a lecture I understand that this is the internet a people dont want to give too much information away but you need to be more transparent
 
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edward cooper

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this is to drew not you oldtimer.

wind your neck in mate. im here trying to solve problem not to be criticised by you. i know exactly how to test but not into PAT testing i also hold 2391 current regs etc so i suggest you read between lines with the fact that i cant say whole truth as i need to protect my employeer. Which is NOT the company that supply these alarms.

all im after is what rules govern the fixing of electronic equipment that is second hand in to a domestic setting. if the answer is non then they are allowed to do it, if its it need pat testing then i will ensure that the company can provide evidence that this is carried out before they are re used. i just want to know what i am asked to install is safe.

i have been as transparent as i can oldtimer. i am here on the grounds of safety only.
 
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"i have been economical with truth as to what i do and the company for discretion. it may or may not be a new company or local authority and i may or may not work for them directly"

You have to admit all that sounds a tad dubious though Edward.
I'd say that because the equipment is being used commercially IE the company is renting it out then it should be tested in accordance with the PAT regime
 
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edward cooper

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i would agree with you but as the equipment has no testing labels on the it is obviously not been carried out. dont mean to be dubious but lets just say its partnership work between government departments and i cant say more than that.
 

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