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Steve Bucksey
Hi all. Has anyone here attended any courses run by ATL/Trade qualified recently?
Thanks in advance, Steve
Thanks in advance, Steve
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Hi all. Has anyone here attended any courses run by ATL/Trade qualified recently?
Thanks in advance, Steve
Yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath. I was frogmarched off of a course with them in December, and now I have been advised that they have moved offices with no forwarding address. I have looked up that the director of TQ also owns Future Training College Ltd, if that helps. I have contacted him through them, seeing as TQ are impossible to get in contact with. Hope that helps you?Mate, me and a friend have been on the course for 2 years, received an email from TQ saying ATL had gone into administration and the standards not good enough for TQ. They will contact us in time with more info...Been waiting weeks, my assignments not returned and rang operator and number for inquiries disconnected...Alarm bells are ringing...Anyone got any more info
Wise up guys, you are so getting shafted. Your not getting the money back, At least realize this.
Don't get me wrong, not for a moment do I suggest you roll over, but you are dealing with weasels.While you 'may' be right, I'm not going to just give up like that, not without a fight! ...no way in hell am I letting them just walk off with thousands of pounds of my money like that, not a chance. If we all just gave up and rolled over like that I dread to think what the world would be like.
No mate, just old. While I could not not advise direct action, I would truly be spitting feathers if I were you.Moospark, you seem very sure of that. Perhaps you work for TQL!
shame this has happin but thats what u get when you do a Electrical Trainee courses, these courses are very miss leading and some of you guys will hit a brick wall
I want to do it quicker than 4 years, it really doesn't take 4 years to learn this stuff,
Yes it DOES!! What you have in the way of qualifications and experience does not equal Electrician, it doesn't even equal a Mate!!
As stated many times here in the past, if you can't do the time, and don't want to put the required effort in, then choose another trade to get into. Preferably one where you can't potentially harm anyone or burn the place down. If your stupid enough to think you can become an electrician in a matter of day's or a few weeks, you are only fooling yourself big time!!
No matter what you think or what you have been told, it DOES take years to become a proficient electrician and definitely proficient enough to go into peoples homes to undertake electrical work. How does the saying go, ...Fools Rush in Where Angels Fear to Tread!!
Eh men to that, 5year apprenticeship plus another 20 years on job, and I'm still learning.
It's crazy isn't it!! lol!!
He should look at what he's saying in that last post, ...They owe me a 1 Day course for this, another day's course for that, a 4 day course for something else!! What does he and others think they are going to learn on these short courses?? Not a mention anywhere of a Core qualification to any of these fast track courses, just mainly useless/meaningless add-on type courses.....
Yea, I have received part of the goods.
I've come out so far with my C&G 2382 17th Edition and C&G 2377 PAT testing. They still owe me various training towards C&G 2392 and then eventually a day of extra training and the opportunity to take that and get my 2392 certificate, they also owe me a CSCS card (although I already have the basic one anyway) a 1 day course and certificate in basic first aid, 200 pounds worth of tools in a starter tool kit and Full Scope Part P qualification. In addition to this for paying up front I was promised the BPEC Solar Photo-voltaic course, which iirc was 4 days.
It's crazy isn't it!! lol!!
He should look at what he's saying in that last post, ...They owe me a 1 Day course for this, another day's course for that, a 4 day course for something else!! What does he and others think they are going to learn on these short courses?? Not a mention anywhere of a Core qualification to any of these fast track courses, just mainly useless/meaningless add-on type courses.....
find out where this `director` lives....Yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath. I was frogmarched off of a course with them in December, and now I have been advised that they have moved offices with no forwarding address. I have looked up that the director of TQ also owns Future Training College Ltd, if that helps. I have contacted him through them, seeing as TQ are impossible to get in contact with. Hope that helps you?
Steady on there, this isn't really about that, besides I already said that I believed the courses offering weeks of training were inadequate, I did say that it takes a lot more than 4 weeks, so don't make out like I said otherwise please, all I said was that it doesn't take 4 years, which I think is fair. I could do a PHD in less time than that if I did it full time. I am well aware that I am not an electrician or even a mate, I am more than happy to acknowledge that. I know it takes years to become a proficient electrician, but what if I were to say for example, 2 years ...that's years but it's half of 4 years. I wouldn't like to put a number on it to be honest, all I mean to say is, for me personally, I know it wont take 4, I have done enough technical work elsewhere to know that.
There is no need to jump on me like that at all. I know the industry has a lot of people in it who are quite ...touchy about apprenticeships and do not seem to believe anyone who is trying or has succeeded in getting into the industry any other way has any right to be there ...in some cases I have little doubt they are right, and no doubt an apprenticeship is ideal and had I been 18 I would be more than willing to undertake one, even if it took longer than 4 years. But at 28 and unemployed and trying to make a relatively quick career change, I don't have the time to do that. I know if given the right chances I could be a very good electrician, safety is not something I would fool around with and right now I would be the first to admit I am not close to proficient, but given the chance to get enough practical experience and the right technical training I would be and it wouldn't take me 4 years, believe me, not unless other people were slowing me down to fit in with their idea of how long it should take at least.
I won't say any more on this here as it will completely derail the thread, but I felt I had to respond to you, your outburst was rather ...dramatic.
Please don't miss-understand me though, I am not saying I would know it all in 4 years, I'm not a fool, I like to think I learn things everyday and I have no doubt as an electrician I would always be learning too.
This isn't about the perceived or actual value, quality or thoroughness of these courses though, regardless of what you or I think about it. Fact is, me and a good number of other people have paid for something we aren't getting and it would appear are been stolen from at this point.
I did say earlier in the thread that I now understand that these courses really can't come close to actually making you an electrician (apparently people would rather get bent out of shape over a fairly innocuous comment I made), when I started down this path though I did not know that, I did not know anyone to ask about it and a bit of internet research seemed to suggest these courses were about the only way in for people too old to do apprenticeships.
I originally came to this forum seeking help and advice with becoming an electrician, all I really seem to get are people like you jumping on me and rubbishing everything I am trying to achieve, I am sorry if it offends you but an electrical apprenticeship is not open to me as it is for a school leaver. Should this really preclude me from being an electrician? ...or any of us in the same boat as me? ...it might not be traditional and it might not be the same way you did it, but with the right individual it can work, if given a chance by the people already in the industry. I admit though, this method is very reliant on the individual to make it work, since you aren't sat in a classroom and taught much at all and you aren't given a placement with a company so you can learn on the job. This lack of practical experience is the worst part really, it seems to be very difficult to get any, but if given that chance, I know I could make it work. I just need enough practical experience.
With many jobs of course you can join a company as a trainee and learn from those with experience as you go and your salary will reflect this. It seems to me that this doesn't really exist in the electrical industry as such, the only thing like this I have seen is the apprenticeship. Which as I have said, is pretty well cut off once you are over 25 years of age ...so how are you supposed to do it then?
It's very easy to mock and deride those trying to get in by methods other than apprenticeships, but it is nearly all people who simply can't do one due to their age, so why don't you offer up some solutions to this problem then ? ...you can't possibly be suggesting that the door closes after a point, surely? Despite wanting to do it more quickly than 4 years, if I could get onto an apprenticeship scheme, I would take it, as it would give me a much better grounding in the trade. Based on the research I did in 2011, the reason you can't really do one after 25 is because the funding the government provides stops for it at that point. I have seen some apprenticeship schemes in the passed that only wanted people upto 21.
It's pure lunacy to think that you are a competent person after a few weeks, having gained meaningless qualifications. You also don't gain experience by going into a customers home practicing what little you know from a totally inadequate training course.
The main argument here is, Why should a highly technical trade/profession, lower it's well proven standards of training to suite those that are not even prepared to put the time and effort in to learn the fundamentals. As i say, where there is a ''will'', there is always a ''way'' to become a proficient electrician!!
I never at any point said you could be competent in a few weeks, I actually said you couldn't be, if you take the time to read what I actually wrote, so on that point we are in agreement. Secondly I am not asking, expecting or even wanting this trade to lower it's standards, quite the opposite, I am all for high standards and I would do my very best to live up to those standards, I realise a short course will not prepare me nearly well enough for this, I even said that too. All I said was that I believe it can be done without a 4 year apprenticeship, and that I would indeed like to be working as an electrician more quickly than that ...although I imagine still under the supervision of a more experience person. That's all, ...you just gunned for me over that comment about weather it takes 4 years or not ...I think you really got the wrong end of the stick though. You have inferred and assumed an awful lot from one line I wrote, then you have come at me, deciding you already know what kind of electrician I would be and proceeded to lecture me on the blindingly obvious.
You've got me all wrong, I am well aware of the shortcomings of the route I have taken now, I wasn't when I started mind but it became very apparent the first week I was at the training centre, that it would realistically take years to become competent and be able to work unsupervised. I am not really sure what to do about this right now (do you have any helpful suggestions? I am more than willing to listen them if you do), but again, this thread is being driven off topic badly, it was never about how good or bad these courses are it was just about Trade Qualified and how they seem to be trying to make off with a lot of people's money without delivering the training we paid for (weather that be good or bad training). I never wanted to get into an argument with anyone here about ...well anything really, but you did lay it on pretty thick because you didn't like one little comment I made, you weren't even particularly diplomatic about it either, which is what got on my nerves, you were quite rude to me and made all sorts of assumptions about me ...and I will not take that lying down. Can we drop this now please.
As i say, where there is a ''will'', there is always a ''way'' to become a proficient electrician!!
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