Borrowed neutral question.

[telectrix]

No - the customer does not have the final say when it comes to asking an electrician to contravene the Wiring Regulations.

if the customer won't pay, then you have to do the best you can with what you've got. remember BS7671 is non-statutory, and as long as you've left the installation safe, then the inconvenience of losing all lights in the event of a fault is the hard cheese of the skinfint customer, and if he falls down the stairs due to his own greed and miserlines, then TOUGH TITTY.

 

[Rappid]

No - the customer does not have the final say when it comes to asking an electrician to contravene the Wiring Regulations.

The customer does have the final say, providing it's safe to do so, it's a departure from BS7671. You cannot force the customer to have work done to comply with current regs i.e. CU change but no CPC on lighting, you cannot force the customer to have the lighting circuits rewired or put in CPC, you just make it safe by class 2 fittings, nylon screws and note it as a departure from BS7671

 

[ezzzekiel]

Shall we look, with proper multi-quoting, at what Ponty wrote?

nah lets not bother and just move on !!

 

[Engineer54]

Told you, ....this is going to be another of those threads that just gets too silly to contribute too further!!!

Funny how some contradict themselves, from one thread to another too!!...lol!!!

 

[Guest123]

Then you can't certify compliance with BS 7671.

With that out of the window, what alternative will you pick to prove compliance with P1?



Yes.

Which you've changed in a way which doesn't comply with BS 7671 - you said so yourself.



Nothing. Nor is there anything to say that there wasn't emergency lighting.



Can it be done in compliance with BS 7671?

My Q would be what would you do about it and indeed have you ever done it???

 

[Knobhead]

No - the customer does not have the final say when it comes to asking an electrician to contravene the Wiring Regulations.

The customer does have the final say. **** off! You’re just pumping the job up.

Enter Joe from the tap room of the local, “I can do that”!

 

[onions1066]

4mm protecting a 1.5kw shower? that would be a very poor shower/dribble. i think this thread could of been finished within 5 posts, get rid of the borrowed neutral if it's an option if you cant double the live conductors up in 1 mcb, nothing wrong with either option job sorted. to be honest i joined this forum just to have a look what was happening out in the electrical world outside my little bubble but there seems to be a lot of bitching on here. In my opinion electricians have it tough enough as it is anyway out there with all the undercutting, constant regulation changes and last but not least being hated by every other trade, to argue between each other is ridiculous. Come on guys feel the love :devilish:

 

[onions1066]

and finally yes i agree with Tony customer has the final say as long as it is withtin the scope of the regulations. nothing more to say surely

 

[telectrix]

Indeed.

But if you're registered with NICEIC/NAPIT etc, don't the terms of your registration say that your work must comply with it?

And where the work is done in England or Wales, if you can't claim compliance with BS 7671, what route will you take to ensure compliance with P1?



No - that's not tough titty, it's you failing in your duty of care to your client and acting unprofessionally.

my " duty of care to the client" is to advise him/ner what needs to be done to comply and advise of the cost. if the client won't pay for this work, are you suggesting that i do it for free? if so, you're welcome to come and work for me, for nothing, if that's your view.

 

[Guest123]

Simple - if I couldn't discharge my duty of care, if I couldn't act with professionalism, if I could not certify that to the best of my knowledge and belief my work complied with BS 7671 when in my professional opinion it should, I'd walk away.

Sorry you mis-understand my question,

What I meant was have you ever actually picked up a toolbox gone to a customers house and tried doing any of this sparky malarky for real....or just sat behind your monitor surrounded by every electrical textbook in christendom waiting to multiquote & belittle anyone that dares to have an opinion of their own which doesn't happen to match yours???