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[Devonchris]

It was done by Local Sparks in the main and to put it bluntly, it was not up to UK standards, which was what we worked to.

I bet they didn't knew they were only allowed one bug off each spur.

 

[Pete999]

I bet they didn't knew they were only allowed one bug off each spur.

Can't say

 

[Devonchris]

Can't say

Fair enough. I'm sure that, like me, your a fully signed up and PVed member of the OSA and know it doesn't end with retirement.

 

[Pete999]

Fair enough. I'm sure that, like me, your a fully signed up and PVed member of the OSA and know it doesn't end with retirement.

Correct

 

[The Ghost]

When you say no legal compulsion, what about the requirement to make safe before leaving the place of work under the EAWR. I attended a restaurant the other day and issued a danger notice and disconnected all the circuits and advised not to switch them back on until remedial work had been completed. In this case new CU among other actions. I could not have left there without doing that. What would you have done? The picture in question does not convey the true situation. The cables were soaked. The boxes and cut-out were floating unattached to the wall. The main cut out fuse had blown twice when DNO replaced. The measurements on most of the circuits were below (IR) 1Mohm. I could not in all conscience leave them any other way.

 

[Des 56]

C1: Danger Present: Immediate action is required
The person responsible for the installation’s maintenance is advised to take action without delay to remedy the defect, or take other appropriate action to remove the danger i.e. switching or isolating the installation.

That is some general guidance I found based on the Eawr
As part of that statement above,I would ask

Who is doing the advising?
My own answer,its the tester engaged to assess the duty holders system who advises that duty holder to take action, or the duty holder passes authority to the tester to do so on his behalf
Without the authorisation I believe we have no responsibility at all other than to inform
If a system was dangerous we could leave it switched off,its not our responsibility if its switched back on and continues to be used

 

[ipf]

When you say no legal compulsion, what about the requirement to make safe before leaving the place of work under the EAWR. I attended a restaurant the other day and issued a danger notice and disconnected all the circuits and advised not to switch them back on until remedial work had been completed. In this case new CU among other actions. I could not have left there without doing that. What would you have done? The picture in question does not convey the true situation. The cables were soaked. The boxes and cut-out were floating unattached to the wall. The main cut out fuse had blown twice when DNO replaced. The measurements on most of the circuits were below (IR) 1Mohm. I could not in all conscience leave them any other way.

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That's it . You ADVISED not to switch back on....but if they wanted to, there is nothing to stop them doing so, except their own conscience.
A written warning is as far as you can go...get it down on paper or email.

 

[The Ghost]

The point I was making is that there is a legal duty on any person attending as electrical engineer/tester to make safe a dangerous situation when observed before leaving or continuing with an EICR. You can't just say "well that could kill you but I'm leaving now best not touch it" You are required to make it safe under the EAWRegs and Section three of the H&S Act please see HSE site on the subject. Of course people have free will and can kill themselves with the danger pointed out and made safe and fly in the face of any advice you may give them. I think it is dangerous to tout the idea there is no legal and or moral duty to endeavour to leave the client as safe as may be possible. I am not arguing that people have the free will to ignore you and do whatever they so wish. However I would suggest if you did leave something unsafe and harm resulted from it you would be facing a hefty fine or prison sentence. So lets be clear about that.