EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[norcal]

Here is a link to a editorial from the San Francisco Chronicle.

Why Britain should not leave the EU - San Francisco Chronicle

But they are just spouting the Establishment / Party line. IMHO, the issue really just concerns Britons.

 

[Darkwood]

Does this ring any bells for anyone, its like she's speaking about the UK remain campaign and the EU's responses to us leaving.

Norway in 94 and what the establishment warned them about if they didn't join...


[video=youtube;i-UbT0g9A8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-UbT0g9A8c[/video]

 

[silverfox1]

This is worth a look it compresses into 30 mins what the EU is all about.

[video=youtube;uyBr9RNx4k0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyBr9RNx4k0&ab_channel=RickTimmis[/video]

 

[Octopus]

Another clip for all you to enjoy:

https://youtu.be/JFt-pRIvL9E

 

[silverfox1]

Not long to go now but this is worth a look if you still undecided a short film by Toby Young associate editor of the Spectator magazine. Brexit : Facts Not Fear, It basically sums up why I am voting leave, although immigration and the economy are important to some for me retaining our right to govern ourselves and the ability to remove those that govern us is paramount, those that cannot remove the people that govern are living under a dictatorship.

[video=youtube;gILTIDr4Ra8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILTIDr4Ra8[/video]

 

[andyb]

In the interest of balance

https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y

 

[Octopus]

And best you all read the statement issued today by the German version of the trade industry about what they think about tariffs.

Sorry. Can't post a link as its too difficult on this phone

 

[andyb]

Sorry. Can't post a link as its too difficult on this phone

Let me help you then Murdoch.

His name is Markus Kerber and he's the head of the BDI,which represents German industry.

And this is what he says

"The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have, although it will become more difficult."

 

[Octopus]

Let me help you then Murdoch.

His name is Markus Kerber and he's the head of the BDI,which represents German industry.

And this is what he says

"The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have, although it will become more difficult."

This is how the BBC reported it (and they are rather pro stay)

EU referendum: Trade curbs 'foolish' if UK votes Leave, says German industry - BBC News

and heres more of what it said!

""Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries - or between the two political centres, the European Union on the one hand and the UK on the other - would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st Century," Mr Kerber told the BBC's World Service.

"The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have, although it will become more difficult."


Mr Kerber added that any introduction of tariffs would lead to job losses in Germany and the UK.


He said a vote to leave the EU would lead to a "serious disruption" to the German-UK economic relationship, describing it "as if a relative had left the family".


Just for balance.:smile5:

 

[andyb]

This is how the BBC reported it (and they are rather pro stay)

EU referendum: Trade curbs 'foolish' if UK votes Leave, says German industry - BBC News

and heres more of what it said!

""Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries - or between the two political centres, the European Union on the one hand and the UK on the other - would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st Century," Mr Kerber told the BBC's World Service.

"The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have, although it will become more difficult."


Mr Kerber added that any introduction of tariffs would lead to job losses in Germany and the UK.


He said a vote to leave the EU would lead to a "serious disruption" to the German-UK economic relationship, describing it "as if a relative had left the family".


Just for balance.:smile5:

Totally agree with all that.

 

[Octopus]

Totally agree with all that.

So do I - its called the EEC!

 

[andyb]

So do I - its called the EEC!

EECs gone Murdoch. :nonod:

 

[Octopus]

EECs gone Murdoch. :nonod:

Needs to come back.........

 

[andyb]

Needs to come back.........

You might be right.

 

[Octopus]

You might be right.

And the weaker countries need to leave the Euro ........

 

[andyb]

And the weaker countries need to leave the Euro ........

Now we disagree.

28 countries, a few strong some weak. The weak help the strong, we all benefit.

 

[Octopus]

Now we disagree.

28 countries, a few strong some weak. The weak help the strong, we all benefit.

Hum - so you are advocating that all 28 countries join the Euro AND have political & fiscal union?

 

[andyb]

Hum - so you are advocating that all 28 countries join the Euro AND have political & fiscal union?

Nope..

 

[Octopus]

Nope..

So how will it work then?

The non Euro countries bailing the Euro countries out?

Germany bailing everybody out?

Germany deciding fiscal policies for the weaker countries?


The UK has political and fiscal union. 4 countries, many regions, payments are given to countries and regions in an inconsistent fashion. Nobody complains. This is only possible because of the UK National Government.

The EU does not have this structure....

 

[andyb]

So how will it work then?

The non Euro countries bailing the Euro countries out?

Germany bailing everybody out?

Germany deciding fiscal policies for the weaker countries?


The UK has political and fiscal union. 4 countries, many regions, payments are given to countries and regions in an inconsistent fashion. Nobody complains. This is only possible because of the UK National Government.

The EU does not have this structure....

I'm trying to do a quote Murdoch, hence my short posts.:sad_smile:

If you're in the EU you help smaller countries, Euro or non Euro.
I'm not talking about bailouts, they're a separate matter.
Germany decides nothing on its own.