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How much for materials? Imo a board change should be expensive, i think most sparks charge too little - where some have a go heros will attempt sockets or lighting, fewer will try and tackle a board change and as such i think you should cash in on it just exactly the same as gas engineers do with boilers. They charge loads (my mate prices £1800 a day in Essex installing boilers for a basic swap out supply and fit) because they know people can't/won't tackle it themselves due to the danger factor.i jst quoted for a 22 way RCBO board, 18 RCBOs fitted. am I in the right ballpark at £900? (existing board is dual RCD 14 way with 17 circuits, grossly overloaded with 2 RFCs in a 32A (twice) and 2 6mm cooker circuits in a 32A. ). and trying to trace the conductors back to their respective cables is impossible. can't even see where the enter the CU. blue/brown spaghetti
I spotted that and wondered if it was one of those scenarios where the reading steadily rises and never quite settles. Some testers keep updating the result for ever and I’ve noticed others stop after a few seconds. My Kewtech does the former and deciding what to record when it’s a high pass but ever changing can be fun.2. Something odd going on with his IR tester - since he gets readings of >200, >299 & >500. Yes I know that >500 is technically also >200, but why the inconsistency? I wonder if some of those were done at 250V, though the report doesn't state that.
I would tend to agree that it is not a bad report it just has a few anomalies itAs already stated, this is a pretty good report, though as always there are a few oddities - but mostly of pedantic interest.
Is it the IR tester or a pre fill cert that you use a lower greater than value rather than the actual reading although it could be the IR tester but I'm a bit confused as to why the over range value changes2. Something odd going on with his IR tester - since he gets readings of >200, >299 & >500. Yes I know that >500 is technically also >200, but why the inconsistency? I wonder if some of those were done at 250V, though the report doesn't state that.
Is this possibly just another case of not proof reading the cert before you send it, it does seem to be a common problem these days3. He's actually ticked 5.12.1 and 5.12.2 for RCD protection for all sockets and for mobile equipment outdoors. Wonder if he did that just on visual and only discovered the RCD failed later?
There doesn't appear to be any standard way to fill in a cert these days and the only reason for it has to be down to training. Putting the actual figures in would better and even doing a ramp test and noting the outcome would be beneficial even using a different text colour to highlight it4. FAIL isn't really an appropriate value for a RCD test result. Either it never tripped or it was above the required limit, but in either case a value of >300ms, >40ms or whatever is usually displayed on the meter and would be more useful in the results sheet imo. It's interesting that apparently the test button did trip it, so if appliances were still connected, then maybe removing them all and testing at the RCBO might have got a pass.
Given it can be problematic getting replacement MCB's / RCD's / RCBO's for older boards this quite often is a valid case for replacement of the the CUHaving said all that, it may well be time for a new board in any case and it would certainly be an upgrade. Whether the price quoted is reasonable depends on whether it's for a dual RCD Screwfix special, or an all RCBO affair with SPD.
My kewtech does this too. On testing, I give it to the count of 20. Then, if it's a passable result that is still rising, I note the result at that time in the form with a '>' sign in front.I spotted that and wondered if it was one of those scenarios where the reading steadily rises and never quite settles. Some testers keep updating the result for ever and I’ve noticed others stop after a few seconds. My Kewtech does the former and deciding what to record when it’s a high pass but ever changing can be fun.
From an inside perspective, I completely agree with you!Thanks again all
So she spoke to another electrician, yet another opinion. Latest disagrees with observation 3 as a c3, he believes it to be a c2. This has been a real eye opener.
From an outsiders perspective, the EICR is a bit of a mess. One electrician can do the remedial work give you the cert. You could then order a second/third EICR report to be carried out which would have a high chance of failing.
On one hand its open to abuse by incentivising creating more work than necessary. and on the other hand is potentially unsafe. Customers who obtain multiple quotes are likely to pick cheapest electrician who does the least amount of work, which is probably the least safe option.
The electrician doing the EICR should be prohibited from carrying out the subsequent remedial work imo. Or The test carried out by an independent body.
For the same reason i refuse to use a garage to perform my MOT and use a council test centre.
Imo hashgraph public distributed ledgers are going to change all this.From an inside perspective, I completely agree with you!
I may not have a popular opinion in this, but I use the mot analogy myself. I belive it should be regulated in the same way, only people specifically trained should be doing it, managed by an approved government body (not schemes) where continuous exchange of standards are made - just like the mot.
There will always be some room for opinion in an assessment - just like a mot, but in no where near as wide a range as occurs at the moment!
There's a way to do it the way i said it by simply integrating an app into eg a multi function tester and to get pictures taken before the work commences, signed off to be verified by the customer, all via app.All that would just add to the cost of an EICR and ongoing training for us lot.
The government would have to demand an EICR on every property, at a regular interval or people just won’t get it done. (I do very few EICRs that aren’t rentals)
Much more in an EICR than an MOT.
But in principle, it's no different.All that would just add to the cost of an EICR and ongoing training for us lot.
The government would have to demand an EICR on every property, at a regular interval or people just won’t get it done. (I do very few EICRs that aren’t rentals)
Much more in an EICR than an MOT.
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