I don't think this is legal but I will still ask the question.

[Geordie Spark]

Oh no, here we go again!! lol!! Yes!! AND No!!

You're late.

I hope you have a good excuse or a note from your mother.

You were conspicuous by your absence on this thread too !!! http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...al-earth-fault-loop-tt-system.html#post718829

 

[jamie-spark]

Ok so picture a bedroom wall, and in the middle, low down there is a single socket on a ring.

someone has asked me if I can fit two double sockets either side of their bed on the same wall.
this will be done in plastic trunking as requested.

question is: from the two ring circuit cables that go into the single socket.
Can I fit two live cables into one side of a chock block and two live neutral cables into one side of a choc block ( so the ring is continued ) and then at the other side of the choc blocks run one T/E cable left into a double socket and one T/E cable right into a double socket and blank the single socket?

Instead of running a cable either side the a third cable straight through to complete the ring.

I am led to believe you cannot run two spurs off one part of the ring but does this count as two spurs or one?

If that doesn't make sense I will re write it.

If your thinking is can I have two separate spurs from one point in the ring the answer is yes.
What you can't do is have a spur from an unfused spur as the cable could be potentially overloaded. Check out page 175 of the onsite guide

 

[blueschill]

Cheers Jamie I will get the big green book out tonight or tomorrow and have a look.
but yes that is what I was saying,
Two separate spurs coming from one point in the ring, one spur going left to a double socket and one spur going right to a double socket.


Although I will still probably wire the two sockets in a ring circuit, when I was stood looking at the job I just wondered if it would be legal to do it that way or not as I thought the good book said otherwise.

although I wonder who will agree with this or disagree, all hands to their reg's people! Lol

 

[richy3333]

For fooks sake!

 

[blueschill]

Bit over the top richy

 

[Guitarist]

Don't forget your prescribed zones

 

[blueschill]

Actually I was just talking about this with my cousin yesterday who is a very experienced spark and the conversation we had basically was that,

where my original socket it ( the one I am going to blank off ) is a little below the regulation height, so because the good book says you have to install sockets at a pre determined height, if your using trunking it can make your installs look real funny and odd sometimes.
we came to the agreement that if things like this happen I would just install at the same height as the original socket so to make the install look neat and tidy.

 

[telectrix]

actually i was just talking about this with my cousin yesterday who is a very experienced spark and the conversation we had basically was that,

where my original socket it ( the one i am going to blank off ) is a little below the regulation height, so because the good book says you have to install sockets at a pre determined height, if your using trunking it can make your installs look real funny and odd sometimes.
We came to the agreement that if things like this happen i would just install at the same height as the original socket so to make the install look neat and tidy.

the height stipulation refers only to new builds. You fit at whatever height you want, providing they are high enough to prevent the cable fexes on the plugs being bent and stressed.

 

[Andy78]

You can install your sockets at whatever height you want. Regulation heights only apply to new builds.

EDIT: what he said ^

 

[zap]

Ah yes ............ but these cable will be solid cores. Are we allowed to crimp solid cores and if we are should we be using special crimps and crimping tools for solid cored cables?

Maybe we should be using Wagos or similar - or make some nice soldered joints?

Now, where did I leave my tin hat??

Klauke, for one, make the crimps and crimping tools. They're expensive though!

 

[blueschill]

Yeah that's basically what we said, as long as the height doesn't impose on safety then there shouldn't be a problem of fitting at a non standard height.

 

[blueschill]

I must say though being a sparky inboard a ship was SOS much easier than in the domestic world, there's just so many rules and reg to follow!

 

[telectrix]

yeah. but houses don't sink if you get it wrong.

 

[blueschill]

Very true ha ha ha,
I knew an old school spark onboard that lost his rank because in his mess he did some work and made all the bulk heads ( metal walls ) around the mess live!
and he electrocuted one of his ship mates!!!!!!
The navy won't give him his senior rank back lol

He didn't like to talk about it. Lmao

 

[Geordie Spark]

Very true ha ha ha,
I knew an old school spark onboard that lost his rank because in his mess he did some work and made all the bulk heads ( metal walls ) around the mess live!
and he electrocuted one of his ship mates!!!!!!
The navy won't give him his senior rank back lol

He didn't like to talk about it. Lmao

Obviously his earth rod wasn't into the sea bed deep enough.

 

[bigbaddave]

Trunking.. Horrible horrible stuff

 

[blueschill]

Yeah I not like ethe look of trunking either but what the customer want ect...

and Geordie, love the comment ha ha ha if I ever see that bloke again I will Definatly making that comment to him pmsl

 

[Geordie Spark]

Yeah I not like ethe look of trunking either but what the customer want ect...

and Geordie, love the comment ha ha ha if I ever see that bloke again I will Definatly making that comment to him pmsl

I have my moments. :stuart::wink_smile: