Re-Wires for Family

[RILEYTHESPARK]

Hi all sorry not posted for a long time. I wondering if any domestic installers could help i am an approved JIB electrician and i have my 2391 and i work for a commercial electrical contractor. I want to re-wire my mun and dad's house but i dont have my part P. If i was to Re-wire the house and complete a test sheet mould a domestic installer be able to complete a PIR on the property even though the havent installed the circuits.

 

[leekemp85]

Iit may work out cheaper for you to inform your labc. I think i paid £120 they will come out after first fix and again when you have finished.

 

[Davey101]

Why bother mate, unless thet are selling it, why do you need a test sheet?

(ducks for cover)
I had to pay 50 quid for the council to send round a spark to test my mum and dads extension. If the LABC werent involved, I wouldnt have bothered.

 

[RILEYTHESPARK]

Thanks leekemp85 i think i will go down the labc route as they want a certificate due to insurance purposes

 

[baldsparkies]

Why bother mate, unless thet are selling it, why do you need a test sheet?

(ducks for cover)

This is his Mum and Dad your talking about, come on now, why leave them with the gamble or responsibility. £120 for peace of mind, its worth it.

 

[RILEYTHESPARK]

Why bother mate, unless thet are selling it, why do you need a test sheet?

(ducks for cover)
I had to pay 50 quid for the council to send round a spark to test my mum and dads extension. If the LABC werent involved, I wouldnt have bothered.

Cheers Davey my mam and dad want a certificate for insurance so will go dowm LABC route

 

[lockhes]

DONT DO IT

never work for family or friends more grief then normal customers


or am i the only 1 who gets grief

 

[leekemp85]

I do agree with davey in a way its a waste of money. the bloke that came out to my job had no idea what he was talking about. its a shame you dont know someone that is part p.

i do agree with davey its a waste of money for someone that has no idea what he's talking about to sign off your work. its a shame you dont know someone that has part p.

 

[Des 56]

I believe you are wasting your money
Before commenting further,part p is bypassed on an enormous scale by the very people who are supposed to enforce it,the local building controls

You are a qualified electrician who's asking if it is ok to do what you are trained to do and pay for that privelege

If you carry out the work,no notification and no certificate,you will be doing no different to unregistered people who do the vast majority of domestic electrical notifiable work and just get on with it

Rewire the house with no notification of work as if Bob a job down the road did it just before 2005 (pre part p ) if you prefer

Officially involve yourself with the Pir only
You need nothing to do with part p to do a Pir the insurance company should accept your qualification to do the Pir, given that you can prove your competence with the 2391

 

[baldsparkies]

Dont forget, colour of conductors ie blue/brown vs black/red along with a dual rcd 17th board will give the game away.
I know its only my opinion, but the right road is the best road, as said why take a chance, after all it is a complete rewire so pretty major work on the part P front. Do it right.

 

[m4tty]

Well said Des here ere

 

[pennywise]

Yep I would fork out £120 for the building! inspector to come around and tell me it looks nice.

 

[Des 56]

Yep I would fork out £120 for the building! inspector to come around and tell me it looks nice.

Any unregistered qualified electrician could become encouraged by that statement



Beware the part p police are listening

 

[Jason Smith]

M8, there are lots of part P rules, however if you are an electrician, you must surely know someone who is part P? yes we cannot certify the work of another, but if that "another is a mate and sees the cable runs etc, cable sizes etc, 17 board etc, actualy going in situ, the goal posts may be moved a bit. I say this way to protect you, as obviously you may be fully competent but not on the p regs. And if you have such a mate giving you advice perhaps on his way home from work each/every other day, you will become a person whose required levels of supervision are proportionate to his experience, you tecnically will be working for your mate, almost unsupervised, on your own house, and he will then charge you for what ever is hours were. Cosha. That way you will not run the riskof Upsetting the LBC with departures from part p, as your mate will be giving you advice. if you see what I mean.

and, of course a certificate for the onsideration of his hours, it may be that LBC are cheaper, but they wont tell you how to install in accordance with part p.

 

[baldsparkies]

I am no fan of part P, it really has opened a can of worms. The bad guys seem to get away with non compliance year after year, but you can bet your bottom dollar its the good guy that does everything to the book except register that gets caught out and dragged over the coals.
I understand and agree with the frustration of these situations, and it does insult the integrity and competance of qualified electricians but why take the gamble, what are you gaining. £120

 

[Davey101]

Not quite sure why people are saying 'its not worth the risk'. Are we saying that the OP isnt competant to wire his own parents house, or that some numpty who qualified 10 minutes ago will magically make it safer?
Not withstanding the insurance situation, I cant see why he would need to have it tested, except perhaps to reasure his parents (fair enough).

This isnt really helping the OP though, what was the original question?

 

[lloyd1980]

if your parents understand the situation do it and dont certify it, they could always say it had been rewired when they moved in - if recent, if not get it certified when they sell, by PIR

(rewired before they moved in by previous owners)