shed sockets

[sneer7]

i want to run an armoured cable from the db to 2 sheds at the back of the garden, approx 30m away. are there any rules or regs i need to know about?

 

[trev]

Yes, lots.

 

[telectrix]

your local friendly sparks will know this. that's why you pay him to do the job. to save cash, you can do the groundwork yourself to his stipulated requirements.

 

[trev]

Sorry, it was too good an opportunity to miss.
There are a load of regulations that you have to consider, amongst which will be all of the ones regarding circuit design, protection verification, testing. Then there's all the part p malarkey that needs to be considered.
Like Tel said, your local spark is the one who should be worrying about these, that's why you pay him/her.

 

[sneer7]

i'm looking to do the work myself so want to know what i need to know. i will run the cable on a 32a mcb thats rcd protected, along the fence to the back n then into the shed. is there anything wrong with this?

 

[Gazthesparky]

i'm looking to do the work myself so want to know what i need to know. i will run the cable on a 32a mcb thats rcd protected, along the fence to the back n then into the shed. is there anything wrong with this?

Yes you arnt aloud to fix to a structure like a fence due to it blowing over and it not being a suitable structure

 

[sneer7]

I have a recently lawn laid down in between the house n shed n don't want to dig that up so what are my options?

 

[trev]

i'm looking to do the work myself so want to know what i need to know. i will run the cable on a 32a mcb thats rcd protected, along the fence to the back n then into the shed. is there anything wrong with this?

Yes, there's a lot wrong with it. Please reconsider, electricians tend to be cheaper and less traumatic than funerals. The electric chair ran on 10 amps.

 

[kingeri]

Jeez. Just Jeez.

 

[sneer7]

So what is wrong with it then??

 

[Gazthesparky]

So what is wrong with it then??

What size cable you using have you considered voltage drop, external influences, earthing systems, correct size of cable, discrimination of protective devices to name a few points

 

[trev]

So what is wrong with it then??

Ok, for starters what do you know of safe isolation procedures and cable selection calculations?

 

[Gazthesparky]

Testing of the new supply

 

[sneer7]

What I mean is, is it just not the 'correct' way to do it? Can I still do it that way?

 

[Gazthesparky]

What I mean is, is it just not the 'correct' way to do it? Can I still do it that way?

No of corse not

 

[sneer7]

It'll only be feeding 2 sockets, n it will be on an rcd protected switch.

 

[trev]

"It'll only be feeding two socket" Oh well that's ok then because feeding three would be dangerous.
For crying out loud mate, you do know that fannying around with something you know nothing about can be lethal don't you?

 

[thekingiam]

lol you couldn't make this up could you?

 

[trev]

I hear B&Q have lots of friendly helpful experts that will advise on any job in the home regardless of the dangers or legislation covering it.

 

[thekingiam]

someone put that you tube vid link on here that was on here last night! the chinease scafolders

 

[Andy78]

lol you couldn't make this up could you?

I think somebody could, and is doing.

 

[Silly Sausage]

i want to run an armoured cable from the db to 2 sheds at the back of the garden, approx 30m away. are there any rules or regs i need to know about?

I think you'll get more help here mate...
Electrics UK Forum - DIYnot.com - DIY and Home Improvement :smilielol5:

 

[thekingiam]

here watch how dangerous electricity is,
YouTube

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think somebody could, and is doing.

My money's on biff!

 

[Guitarist]

What I mean is, is it just not the 'correct' way to do it? Can I still do it that way?

Unless you are part P registered, or you plan to notify your local building control in advance, then creating a new circuit for whatever purposes is illegal. Add to that, the fact that you seem to just be copying what someone has told you to do (and not what is necessarily safe) then I would say that an electrician is the way to go here.

 

[sneer7]

All u keep saying is that's its not right n basically it's dangerous, u aren't actually telling me what I want to know which is how i do It then......thought that was the whole point of this forum, to get help??
i wired the rest of my house n had a qualified spark come over n test n sign it off so I'd like to give this a go, just need bit of help please

 

[Andy78]

All u keep saying is that's its not right n basically it's dangerous, u aren't actually telling me what I want to know which is how i do It then......thought that was the whole point of this forum, to get help??
People aren't telling you BECAUSE its dangerous. If you have half an idea you might actually try it.
i wired the rest of my house n had a qualified spark come over n test n sign it off so I'd like to give this a go, just need bit of help please. Well he shouldn't have done.....why dont you take shed advice of this guy instead ?

pretty sure this is a wind up anyway.

 

[trev]

I disagree Sneer7, you wired your house and got someone who didn't care about the regs to sign it off. You're asking for advice on how to do this job, the best advice is not to do it because you don't appear to have any idea on how to do it properly and safely.
Why don't you ring this "qualified spark" and ask his advice? He seems to be happy enough to flout the regulations.

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pretty sure this is a wind up anyway.

It's bloody winding me up

 

[Wiresandthings]

Its illegal!! Plain and simple!! Unless you can get a sparky to supervise you doing the whole job start to finish and then test it, certify it, and notify it to building control, i don't know any sparky that would simply come along and test a diy installation and sign it off without knowing how the cables were installed etc etc!! Just get a local sparky in and whole process will be both safer and cheaper in the long run!!

 

[sneer7]

This is not a wind up, just someone trying to get some help n advice on how to do something as I can't afford to get someone in. I explained exactly what I did to wire the house to the electrician n he said it was very good n all to regs. Ive been an electrical mate before whch is why i had a good idea of how to wire the basics in a house. I just haven't done anything exterior before. I've phoned a few electrical companies who have given me quotes n said I'd basically need a 2.5mm armoured for this job n length of run. I said the lawn is new so don't wanna take that up so what other way of doing it is there?

 

[thekingiam]

giving advice on something as serious as this might put you or your family at risk of death, we on here have undergone years of training so as in to be able to do this work effectively and safely.
and i don't think this forum is to show the general public how to break the law and put themselves and the public at harm.

 

[Wiresandthings]

I give up!! The point that you shouldn't be doing it doesn't appear to be heard!!

 

[Andy78]

The forum has given it's best advice...... get an electrician in that knows what he is doing that will do the job safely and legally.
We cannot advise someone who we think may be a danger to themselves....for legal and moral reasons.
Please take heed.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I said the lawn is new so don't wanna take that up so what other way of doing it is there?

.......

 

[thekingiam]

well actually only some on here have done years of training?!

 

[HandySparks]

I have a recently lawn laid down in between the house n shed n don't want to dig that up so what are my options?

This is the equivalent of "I've just had my house redecorated throughout. Now I want a rewire/extra sockets/etc. What are my options?" :lol:

How about a nice new concrete path down to the shed, with the cable buried at a suitable depth below?

 

[Guest55]

3 pages of comment / advice for this chump ?

you guys are just too nice.

 

[Guitarist]

This is not a wind up, just someone trying to get some help n advice on how to do something as I can't afford to get someone in. I explained exactly what I did to wire the house to the electrician n he said it was very good n all to regs. Ive been an electrical mate before whch is why i had a good idea of how to wire the basics in a house. I just haven't done anything exterior before. I've phoned a few electrical companies who have given me quotes n said I'd basically need a 2.5mm armoured for this job n length of run. I said the lawn is new so don't wanna take that up so what other way of doing it is there?

You've been given the best advice there is....Don't break the Law. It really is that simple, regardless of what you may think.

 

[trev]

I've phoned a few electrical companies who have given me quotes n said I'd basically need a 2.5mm armoured for this job n length of run. I said the lawn is new so don't wanna take that up so what other way of doing it is there?

Thanks for answering the question I asked about cable selection, the answer is obviously ring a contractor and do what they plucked out of thin air. In 30 years in the trade I don't think I have ever discussed what cable I propose to use with a client, them asking the question would immediately start alarm bells ringing with me.

 

[kingeri]

Best policy here is to stop responding beyond this point guys....

 

[Darkwood]

No constructive input here but have you ever tried saying 'Shed Sockets' 10 x and fast :willy_nilly:

 

[shanky887614]

ill help you save some money mate, stop paying house insurance. when your house burns down they wont pay out anyway.

 

[Andy78]

No constructive input here but have you ever tried saying 'Shed Sockets' 10 x and fast :willy_nilly:

I tried, I ended up saying "dead shock it". Seems relevant somehow.

 

[telectrix]

@ OP. you say you had a spark test your house work and sign it off. why not ask his advice?

 

[trev]

@ OP. you say you had a spark test your house work and sign it off. why not ask his advice?

A quid says he's on holiday.

 

[telectrix]

@ strangeways?

 

[trev]

@ strangeways?

No the mythical place that everyone's mythical sparky friend who signs things off goes to for weeks on end

 

[telectrix]

if he's DIY dave, then he should not be doing it (unless he notifies LABC and pays their exorbitant fee). if he's an apprentice or trainee, then he should get a qualified sparks in to supervise and oversee his work.

 

[Guest55]

No the mythical place that everyone's mythical sparky friend who signs things off goes to for weeks on end

that'll be the diy corner of the pub where he found him then lol.
free cert with every pint of best.
;-)

 

[dan86]

post #34 is exactly what I'd have posted had I seen this earlier.
you only need 2 sockets over 30m.
buy an extension lead, with 4 and jobs a good un.