signing off of work!!!?? PLEASE HELP

[coxyboy]

hello there

does any body know anyone that is part p registered and would be willing to sign off all work that i do?
obviously i would pay them for there services and would be prepared to meet up with them for a chat to discuss things. im based in the london / kent area

if anyone could help then that would be great. PM if that is easier for you

many thanks
COXY

 

[mattmoo1974]

Good luck with that.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I want to do a bank job, any one know of any good getaway drivers?

 

[Mr Mike]

coxyboy, part p and self certification - you will struggle with this, seriously.

 

[LlandrilloSpark]

Biggest no no in the trade

 

[mattmoo1974]

To sign off work in part Pee you need to be the 1 who installed said work.
You could get the 3 part form where you take responsablity for the design and construction part.
But if you ve gone to all the trouble/Expense of passing said Part P, Testing some 1 else's work who isnt registered is taking work away from yourself.
LABC is your other option but at £250 a pop upwards!
And what your asking is a bit of a insult to be honest with you mate..

 

[mattmoo1974]

Biggest no no in the trade

I no a spark who signs off stuff that a kitchen fitter does as his own, All more the fool him!!

 

[Mark_Burgess]

The only way it is possible, is for someone to shadow you the whole way through the job, so you will be looking at around £200/day for someone just watching you, and some more £££ on top to test and cert.

Any one that will do a back hander and is prepared to put their name on your job needs a kick up the backside.

 

[Des 56]

If you are in the process of getting registered,per your previous post

Perhaps try and team up with someone who is registered, do the work together,you may have more success that way,someone short of work may take an interest then

 

[coxyboy]

thank you all for your comments

yes this is while im in the process of getting registered.
thanks des 56 that sounds like a good suggestion - how do you think the best way to find someone who is registered to team up with? any suggestions??

and to be fair i agree with the other posts coz once im a member of a scheme i wont be signing off any body elese work - so sorry if i offered anyone with my post but it wasnt meant that way

many thanks
COXY

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I wasn't offended, I just thought that asking someone on a public forum to do something that's illegal was a bit silly.

 

[timo1]

If its to sign of your own work that you want for an assesment (so you dont have to pay LABC for your assesment pieces like change of consumer unit etc..) then generally it seems the assesors are quire realistic and will let you notify once you pass and are on a scheme. there are a few threads re this which may help you, search anything under assesment. good luck.

 

[Mr Mike]

Good luck with your chose scheme provider, onward and upwards !!!!!!!!

 

[Des 56]

thank you all for your comments

yes this is while im in the process of getting registered.
thanks des 56 that sounds like a good suggestion - how do you think the best way to find someone who is registered to team up with? any suggestions??

and to be fair i agree with the other posts coz once im a member of a scheme i wont be signing off any body elese work - so sorry if i offered anyone with my post but it wasnt meant that way

many thanks
COXY

Local Authority Building Control - HOME

Use this link.type in your location,you will get lists of the registered in the various schemes

 

[Rockingit]

Normally when I'm asked this, I tell them no (obviously) and explain why. Then I offer to do a full periodic instead as being about as close an alternative.

What about others?

 

[Sjn electrical]

PM me, Have an ides, not sure how to PM.

Steven

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I know of a kitchen fitter who likes to bragg in the pub about how a sparky signs of his "work".................its only a matter of time..............

 

[platty1005]

Any registered domestic installer who signs off other persons work risks losing his license and possible prosecution. Get qualified and registered yourself or STOP doing the work you are robbing all the legal guys out there

 

[La Poste]

I know of a kitchen fitter who likes to bragg in the pub about how a sparky signs of his "work".................its only a matter of time..............

Yeah but who actually Police's it.
Do these people ever get caught out?

 

[platty1005]

Just like benefit fraud they get caught if someone dobs them in

 

[Rockingit]

Kitchen fitters can actually get themselves limited-scope Part P anyway, just like the Gas Safe guys, so it says a lot about exactly how cow-boy some people can really be.

 

[Power On]

I think one of the main points is the general public. They are still unaware of the need for a Part P registered electrician to complete nearly all works. I am so fed up with "qualified electrician" on literature and vans where I live. This means nothing but to the general householder, they are led to believe that they are having work carried out legitimately. Because they have no fees to pay, they can also charge less & undercut us legitimate businesses ( I am an approved contractor BTW). I am sure this topic has been discussed a million times but I am a newbie so sorry for rattling on! Can you tell this a sore point?:evil2:

 

[edrobbo8]

Sorry to bring this all up again, but I need to find out how you go about completing second fix, and testing and certification of a property, when another part p registered spark has done the first fix?

I have said that I will not sign off for his work, but how in reality do you get around that? Get a signature from him for design and installation, along with my signature for the installation and testing?

Any help much appreciated.

 

[Octopus]

Sorry to bring this all up again, but I need to find out how you go about completing second fix, and testing and certification of a property, when another part p registered spark has done the first fix?

I have said that I will not sign off for his work, but how in reality do you get around that? Get a signature from him for design and installation, along with my signature for the installation and testing?

Any help much appreciated.

Why isn't the chap who did the first fix not doing the second fix??????????

 

[edrobbo8]

I don't know Murdoch, hopefully finding that out tomorrow!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You could perhaps issue a 3 part EIC, with the person ordering the work, signing off for design and construction, and you just signing off the I&T?

 

[topquark]

I don't know Murdoch, hopefully finding that out tomorrow!

As you've said, you'll need a three signature cert, the orig spark will need to sign the design and install bit and you the testing bit (when it passes ).

 

[edrobbo8]

That's what I thought, will ring ELECSA tomorrow to confirm. Thanks for the help guys!

 

[edrobbo8]

It's for a construction company, so they would be ordering the work. So could they sign the design and installation part?!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If they are responsible for the work, then yes.
Being responsible for the work, doesn't necessarilly mean they actually did the work.

 

[coldyron]

Can you sign off your own work if you are 2391 qualified? For example, I am going to wire my loft conversion in the next couple of days so it would save me a lot of money if I could fill out the relevant paperwork myself!

If not will a Part P sparky do?

 

[Richard Burns]

You can only sign off your own work if you are competent. The argument will rage on forever about what this means, so will not get into it. However you need to be able to be sure that the work you are doing would stand up to legal scrutiny if it came to that. If, as you have here, presumably, new circuits then you need to inform building control or use a part P scheme registered electrician.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Can you sign off your own work if you are 2391 qualified? For example, I am going to wire my loft conversion in the next couple of days so it would save me a lot of money if I could fill out the relevant paperwork myself!

If not will a Part P sparky do?

You can issue an Installation Certificate but you will still need to notify Building Control.
This can be by either pre-notification and payment of the appropriate fee, or by employing a Part P registered Electrician who will be able to self certificate Part P compliance.

 

[coldyron]

So would I have to notify building control before I wire it as I'm not part P or will the fact that a Part P tester will (hopefully) sign it off for me cover me?

I'm not used to this as I've spent my career working for firms that deal with this stuff!

 

[trev]

Any suggestions as to what to do if I have already first fixed the extension? It'll be 2nd fixed in a week or so, would I have to notify building control that I've wired it or is it ok if I get a Part P NAPIT guy in at the end to test and sign off and he notify building control?

If you can find someone NAPIT/NICEIC/ELECSA registered who is prepared to do that then you'll have complied. If not you should contact your LABC right away mate

 

[trev]

Remember though it's not the certification that's the important bit. It's the notification.
The normal way for LABC is you pay the fee, tell them when the work is starting (usually 48 hours notice is needed) they'll send a building control officer round to inspect your first fix. After that you crack on 2nd fixing testing and commissioning, you then send them a copy of your test results then assuming everything is acceptable they will issue a certificate and everyone is happy.
At least that's how it works round my neck of the woods

 

[mogga]

Any registered domestic installer who signs off other persons work risks losing his license and possible prosecution. Get qualified and registered yourself or STOP doing the work you are robbing all the legal guys out there

What License ??? Who will take it from him?? There In lies the Part PEE Problem No proactive policing you get assesed once a year then BINGO no policing except those who claim to be scheme members fraudulantly