what coding would you give

[Doomed]

Outside walls with IP23 lights that even a short person like me can touch. (sign lights)
What coding would you give? I would be tempted with a C2 but these are recently fitted lights by a professional design company on the outside of a public use building, they couldn't of made such an error could they?
Makes me doubt myself sometimes.

 

[littlespark]

Equipment not chosen for IP suitability? Or however it’s worded.
Akin to a simple lampholder in a bathroom where it should be a sealed fitting.

C3 for improvement. C2 if they’re starting to decay badly already. (Photos)

 

[bill01803]

IPx3 = Protected from water spray less than 60 degrees from vertical.
Is it raining up hill where you are?

 

[brianmoooore]

It's long been my opinion that the IP rating system regarding water ingress is far from suitable for the UK. It totally fails to take into account the typical UK sideways misty rain that effectively manages to fall upwards.

 

[pirate]

For those of us who live in Glasgow, it has been a long established fact that it "rains up in Aberdeen"...

 

[littlespark]

I’m still fighting over a roof on my extension that “only leaks when it’s raining and windy”

That’s some IP rating!

Wasn’t noticed until 4 months after completion, then has leaked at least once a year.
All those storms in the past 6 months hasn’t helped, and the roofer is blanking my calls

 

[snowhead]

I would be tempted with a C2 but these are recently fitted lights by a professional design company on the outside of a public use building, they couldn't of made such an error could they?
Makes me doubt myself sometimes.

Anyone can make mistakes, in the world of engineering some huge blunders have been made by experts.
However it quite often involves a string of small errors, like design changes, where no-one stands back and re looks at the whole project.

Maybe the designers specced the light without checking the I.P and the installers said if that's what they want, that's what we'll fit.

Are you certain they are IP23?

 

[snowhead]

I’m still fighting over a roof on my extension that “only leaks when it’s raining and windy”

And I bet you only see the water if you look for it.

 

[i=p/u]

C2 for me as the inspector, people may question it, but it's not wrong.

 

[Doomed]

Anyone can make mistakes, in the world of engineering some huge blunders have been made by experts.
However it quite often involves a string of small errors, like design changes, where no-one stands back and re looks at the whole project.

Maybe the designers specced the light without checking the I.P and the installers said if that's what they want, that's what we'll fit.

Are you certain they are IP23?

They still have the sticker saying IP23 on them

 

[Doomed]

 

[i=p/u]

If says ip23, you know what todo, light not suitable for environment c2

 

[westward10]

A lot of those swan neck sign lights are IP23. Where are you seeing a Code 2 if any Code aside from the fact they are suffering corrosion damage because they are tat.

 

[i=p/u]

Il decide as the inspector westward.. ip44 for as minimum outside for me..

 

[westward10]

Il decide as the inspector westward.. ip44 for as minimum outside for me..

What are you basing that upon because manufacturers of this style of luminare may be interested.

 

[James]

Why is IP23 not suitable for the location?

 

[littlespark]

Well corroded, whatever IP rating it says it has.

 

[James]

Well corroded, whatever IP rating it says it has.

Devils advocate says,
surface corrosion not affecting the structure or ip rating of the fitting.

 

[brianmoooore]

The only way you can condemn that fitting is to do an IR test after a day of misty rain, when it's not been turned on.

 

[Doomed]

See this is where I'm conflicted, to me the IP ratings suggest that 23 would not be suitable for long term outdoor use (in this climate), but the manufacturers have seemingly designed this as an outdoor light.

and yet later today went to fit some IP 45 lights in a soffit and got this: